18. CBD for Leaky Gut & the Brain

CBD for Leaky Gut and CBD for Brain.  Hello and welcome to the show. Today’s guest is Dr. Tom O’Bryan. He’s the author of the book  You Can Fix Your Brain. He’s also the proprietor of and he’s recognized as one of the world experts on gluten.  An amazing conversation. We have lots of insight for those of you who are interested in anything to do with wheat intolerance or gut health leaky gut and so forth in amazingly informative session with Dr. Tom O’Bryan.  we go almost for a full hour so lots of info here. I hope you enjoy the show.

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Hi, Dr. O’Bryan, welcome to the show. Well, thank you so much.

It’s a pleasure to be with you. Well, I’m so excited to talk to you.

Thank you today for spending time with us. It’s our objective here is to try to help spread awareness and understanding and education around the role of cannabis and CBD as it pertains to health. So your expertise and gluten and many other things. I looked at in terms of your background and some of the things To say about air pollution and Alzheimer’s and you know plants that can take some of that stuff out of the air. I mean, there’s lots of things I want to talk about with you. So thank you so much for being here. And why don’t we why don’t we just start by give us a little bit about yourself. Tell us who you are and how you got into this space. 

Well, I guess the most relevant things of our that I’ve been on the faculty of the institute for functional medicine for the last ten years or so and for those that don’t know functional medicine is an approach to health care where we trained Physicians on identifying the mechanisms behind why people have what they have that we’re all trained that if you have this symptom you give this recommendation right to do to deal with the symptom and so many people now are talking about well, we look at the root cause you know, We look at where it’s coming from. But many times holistic practitioners are looking at what safer recommendations. Can I give for the symptoms opposed to the Pharmaceuticals that may have side effects and so racist deeper approach to deal with that symptom and functional medicine is we of course are going to focus on helping you feel better as quickly as possible. But where are these symptoms coming from? Your you know, your your high cholesterol is not a symptom of your liver making too much cholesterol. And that’s where cholesterol comes from is the liver but it’s and the drugs shut down the livers ability to make cholesterol.

That’s how the drugs work is to shut down. But the question is why is your liver making so much cholesterol and what people don’t know is that the LDL cholesterol the one we call the bad cholesterol is actually Leanne antibacterial and LDL binds with something something called LPS, which is the exhaust of bad bacteria. It binds it up and escorts it out of the body. So if you’ve got a lot of LPS, then you may have high cholesterol because your cholesterol is grabbing this stuff to try to get it out and when you can’t get the LPS out and it accumulates in your body and accumulates in your spleen and your lymph node. nodes and in your brain and the end stage of too much LPS accumulation is sepsis and sepsis kills 1.7 million people a year get sepsis in the US and it kills 250,000 people a year and it’s just the account the end stage of a whole lot of crap that’s been accumulating in your body for 30 years and you know, so you don’t deal with high cholesterol by Can your drug to get your cholesterol down that’s that’s a concept behind functional medicine. And what we do is really explore. Why is your body doing what it does 

so is your research because you’re you know, one of the most renowned experts on gluten and a glutton diet and the problems with that is your assumption or hypotheses or maybe even proof that what we’re eating and specifically gluten causes then that reaction in the liver that That causes this whole problem that you’re talking about. 

Oh, that’s a really interesting question. We have the same body as our ancestors thousands of years ago thousands of years ago the same kidneys the same gallbladder the same brain. We use our brains more and we’ve developed Comforts like housing and warmth in the winter and all and food and all of that which is really interesting for this interview because of the topics, CBD and all that and we’ll get to that and our ancestors their main emphasis was on food and housing, you know, they’re always trying to find enough food. So they’re foraging for food and they find something first thing they do they snip it second thing. They do a little taste and if it seems okay, they eat it if there was really bad bacteria in that food. That they found but not enough to smell bad or that would stimulate the taste buds. it’s the hydrochloric acid in our stomach that supposed to kill that hydrochloric acid kills anything but it can sit your stomach all day long.

That’s the beauty of the human body, you know, but this acid will eat through wood. I mean and it consists in our stomach supposed to be able to sit in her stomach all day. But if any of this bad bacteria in this example in for our ancestors got past the acid and out of the stomach into the small intestine. We have centuries standing guard just inside the first part of the small intestine and they’re called toll-like receptors and its toll like receptor for and I’m sorry to be geeking I’ll go this is perfect. But toll-like receptor 4 is 2i. Identify bacteria bad bacteria, not the good bacteria, but threatening microorganisms that can hurt you and it to like receptor for identifies a bad bacteria coming out of the stomach. It does two things immediately. First thing is does is sends a message that says we need help here and that message activates the production of a protein called sanyal in and zanya Lynn is the mechanism that Is what’s called intestinal permeability slang term leaky gut. So the toll like receptor sends a message. We need some help here and what zanya land does is it opens up the cells little space between the cells and you leaked from the lymphatics and the bloodstream into the gut a bunch of water. Why because you’re going to flush out whatever this threat is that just came in and you get a little loose. Vowels or diarrhea? And that was that’s the concept behind what leaky gut is is that it’s your body’s way of protecting itself activated by toll-like receptor 4 because there’s a bad bacteria here that got in so wash the thing out, you know, it’s like mud dries on your driveway. You got to take a powerful garden hose to wash that stuff off. Right so leaky gut is not a bad thing.

It’s actually bringing water into the intestine. Washout a threat. That’s the first thing the toll-like receptor does just a second thing. It does is it sends a message to the surrounding area saying I need some help here and here come what are called the inflammatory cytokines to attack and kill whatever this thing is. So you create inflammation in the gut when there’s a bad bacteria coming in. That’s the job of toll-like receptor 4 since they’re all day every day doesn’t. Do a thing just standing guard like the whatever those guards are in England, you know, whoever they are right and step all day that’s toll-like receptor 4 now what we know no doubt Professor Maureen Leonard famous gastroenterologist at Harvard in 2017. She read 64 different research papers on this topic, and she It Beyond question. Wheat coming out of the stomach into the small intestine activate toll-like receptor 4 causing transient intestinal permeability in all humans who eat wheat? Well all humans every time you just don’t feel it, right you don’t feel it. But that’s what’s going on. I don’t have diarrhea every day. Well you did when you were a kid and now your body’s compensated in other ways because that didn’t work. And so there’s other mechanisms back up mechanisms that occur. So there’s a question about gluten and is gluten a problem. It’s really not just the proteins in wheat called glutens, but there are other components and we’d also so it’s week that causes the problem.

So basically all of us have have an allergy Al allergic reaction to this. It’s just that some of us don’t only it only presents itself as being serious and some of us. Well, that’s it Interesting. Your your words are allergic reaction, which means that the immune system is involved. Now, there is something called oral tolerance and oral tolerance means that you can have a little this in a you know, the immune system lets it slide righto like receptor for doesn’t let anything slide but it causes transient intestinal permeability meaning it’s not permanent leaky gut so Mrs. Patient you have an entire new body every seven years every cell in your body regenerates every single cell. Some cells really quick like the inside of your guts every few days. Some cells are really slow like bone cells brain cells, but every cell except your teeth every other cell regenerates. So what happens you have a little wheat toll-like receptor 4 gets activated sends a message to the guts. Says wash this out you get Sonya and proteins made opens up the cells you get transient intestinal permeability, but it heals it closes up. The problem is our ancestors our ancient ancestors. How often did they wait? I mean, you’ve got to find these seeds good and you know, you chew them a little bit or you might grind it up. I mean, it’s a heck of a lot of work to get to be rare to find it until you were farming, right?

Exactly. Exactly. 

So this is before agriculture. This is like 10,000 years and older and so it wasn’t a big deal. So you tear the lining of the gut a little bit But it heals no problem. So that’s called oral tolerance. Now what’s happened is toast for breakfast sandwich for lunch pasta for dinner croutons on your salad day after week after month after year you lose oral tolerance. When you lose oral tolerance, the leaky gut is not transient anymore. Now, it’s permanent and we know that the leaky gut is number four in the five. Pillars of the development of all disease all inflammatory diseases there are five pillars and maybe we’ll get to that but number four is the leaky gut, but that is the pathological leaky gut, not the transient leaky gut.

So when you cross that line of Tolerance and your immune system says no more now you start making antibodies to wheat and when you make the antibodies to eat now, you’re getting an immune response now, that’s what we call the allergic reaction that occurs. You may not feel it in your gut. It may manifest as brain dysfunction or psoriasis or rheumatoid arthritis or Lee acne or any cell of the body May manifest. It just depends on where your genetic vulnerability is, but when you’re causing this excess inflammation all the time and your immune systems trying to protect you You’ve crossed that line of Tolerance your immune system is trying to protect you. Now. You’ve got these antibodies to wheat in your bloodstream and because of a couple of different mechanisms those antibodies looking everywhere for wheat in your bloodstream, you know your bloodstreams just a highway means lots of traffic on the highway. They’re all going the same direction but there’s no Lanes. There’s no organization. Everything’s bouncing around like bumper cars in there, right but these antibodies are looking for wheat. Two player their chemical bullet to destroy it the way it’s nonstop wheat basically for most people yeah, exactly. And the way these antibodies are trained.

They just go after week their special forces. And so they’re highly trained and how they know who to attack is they’re looking for a protein signature and I call it orange vest. They’re looking for orange vests of all the stuff that’s in the blood stream. They’re looking for orange vests and the orange vests are a protein signature and I’ll say ABCD. It’s the protein signature. I’m making that up but they’re looking for a specific protein signature. Now as the Bloods going past your thigh, right as an example all the tissue that faces into the bloodstream is made up of proteins and fats and these proteins are hundreds of amino acids long, but some of them include a ABCD orange vests. So the antibodies that are looking for wheat in the bloodstream look over there and they fire their chemical Bullet at your thyroid if that’s your genetic vulnerability or at your brain if that’s your genetic vulnerability and now you’re causing inflammation and damaging thyroid cells or brain cells or skin cells or joint cells, wherever your genetic vulnerability is, and now you start creating antibodies to the tissue that’s been damaged. So now you’ve got thyroid antibodies or myelin antibodies in your brain. Milon’s a Saran wrap around your nerves when that gets destroyed you got Ms. And that’s the mechanism of Ms. But all of this stuff occurs because of inflammation because your body is trying to protect you from something the guide in this not supposed to be there. We terms so all you don’t eat wheat right? I’m sorry. 

You don’t eat wheat? Oh gosh. No. I wish I did good. You know, I wish that I’m half Italian, you know when I got up slowly, you know, yeah. I stopped eating well back to my portion control ride. Like I stopped which means I eat just very very small amounts of it these days. I try not to eat it at all and it’s been a it’s very difficult. And the worst thing that I miss. So the thing I miss the most I guess the better way to say it is pizza. Yeah. Well, there’s gluten-free pizzas. I know but it’s just not the same. Unfortunately, you know, you can’t you can’t be a little pregnant and I’ve learned I can’t eat it. It’s it’s not worth it.


Now but by the time you’re feeling symptoms when you’re exposed to wheat, you’re pretty far down the road of deterioration, you know, whether it’s in your nerve muscle connection or in your brain or in your thyroid or in your skin that there’s been a cumulative damage of accruing or quite a few years by the time symptoms develop symptoms aren’t the first sign. They’re The Last Resort, right? Then that’s when the body that’s why so many people Later in life or developing these autoimmune issues, right which is what exactly right see the development of autoimmune diseases chronic inflammatory diseases has five pillars, there’s five mechanisms and we think the man who identified all this he and his team are the guys that identified the leaky gut in 1997 the the proteins that cause that leaky gut that are called Sonia Lon. His name is Professor Alessio Fasano. He’s professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School professor of nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health the director of mucosal Immunology Center at Harvard the director of the Celiac Research Center at Harvard and the chief of Pediatric gastroenterology, Mass. General at Harbor. I mean any one of those titles is a lifelong goal, right? This guy’s got so many of them and he’s been studying. This for almost 25 years now, if not more and we think he’ll get The Nobel Prize because this affects hundreds of millions of people and so what are the five pillars? Let’s talk about that.

Yeah. Yeah. The first one is your genetics and you can’t do anything about your genetics. That’s the deck of cards that you were dealt. But we now know the studies used to say 70% but now they’re saying somewhere around eighty one study even said 85% of the diseases. You get are not because you got the gene it’s because the gene got turned up which means it’s called epigenetics what happens around the jeans and that’s where CBD comes in and we’ll come back to that. Okay epigenetics because your jeans aren’t on on off switches there on dimmer switches. And what you want to do is dim down the genes of inflammation whether it’s the Alzheimer’s Gene. Eames or the breast cancer genes. Those are the most famous ones that people have heard of what any of you jeans. You want to dim down the expect the genes that Express this inflammation and you want to turn up the genes for anti-inflammation and the way you do that is by what’s around the gene that affects the dimmer switch handle if you will that’s epigenetic so you can’t do anything about your jeans. I love When people come to me and say I’ve got the gene for Alzheimer’s and my mother died of Alzheimer’s and my grandmother and I say, okay, that’s great. Congratulations. Now, you know how you’re right right.

Now you’re going to learn in the next year because it’s going to take a year to two years to really learn. How do I dim down the expression of that Gene and ramp up the you know, the genes of anti-inflammation for that tissue? How do I turn up the genes for anti-inflammation in my breast if I carry the bracket one gene for breast cancer? So how do I turn down the Bracco one Gene and turn up the genes for non inflammation for anti-inflammation in the breasts are in the soft tissue of the body. It’s going to take you a year to learn all that it’s going to be overwhelming because you’re going to learn so many things turn on the genes for Nation in your brain or in your breasts or in your kidneys so many things that you say what really the plastic blinds on my windows those Plastics out gasps phthalate chemicals that are in the air that I can’t smell but I’m breathing them every day and they activate inflammation in my brain. Yes, really nail polish the phalates and nail polish lead each into my bloodstream within four or five minutes after applying the nail polish and phalates activate inflammatory genes throughout my body. Just Google fell eats and Alzheimer’s yes, really plastic storage containers that I store my leftover food in in the refrigerator and the next day I eat that chicken that chicken now has phalates from the chemicals used to mold the plastic.

Yes. Really my showerhead accumulates bacteria inside the shower head pathogenic bacteria. So every time I take a shower, I get blasted with millions of bacteria like klebsiella or pseudomonas the club CL of the most common bacterial infection and hospitals Club CL and ammonia because it gives you pneumonia. Yes, so I have to learn how to clean my showerhead. 

Yes, and it’s really easy just take a Ziploc bag and you pour 30% vinegar in there not to stuff you buy in the store. You have to buy it on Amazon. It’s really cheap. But you pour vinegar in there and you with the twisty tie you tied over your shower head overnight and you’ve cleaned it you do that every six months and you’re fine, but you’ve got to learn all this stuff because the world we live in today is loaded with so many threats right to to because You only have an immune system. That’s the same as your ancestors that was designed to fight bugs bacteria viruses mold fungus. There are six. Mold fungus bacteria viruses bacteria bug bugs parasites viruses mold fungus and bacteria are you know, that’s all our immune system can do it’s all it can do. Well, what about red? Dye number 42 in My Kool-Aid. Nope, your body is going to treat it like a bug parasite virus mold fungus or bacteria. Well, what about Mercury that’s in the fish that we eat now. Nope, your body is going to treat it like a bug pairs. Like viruses mold fungus or bacteria. That’s all it can do.

And when you learn that we’re exposed to so many tens of thousand exaggerating tens of thousands of chemicals every single day in our lives that we have no protection against I’m sitting in a hotel room right now and the desk that I’m sitting at and the headboard over there on the bed is fake wood is pressboard. Press board is soaked with formaldehyde your kitchen cabinets your kitchen cabinets your bathroom cabinets. If they’re not solid wood there pressboard soaked in formaldehyde which out gases formaldehyde into the air you can’t smell it. But you’re breathing it every day. The plastic blinds on the windows are outgassing pellets into the air the sheets and blankets and comforter on this bed are soaked in flame retardant chemicals. That out gas for years you wash them 50 times and they still out gas a little bit of chemical. Well, I can’t smell anything. Well that doesn’t mean anything because this stuff is a cumulative in your body over the years. I’ll give you one example, then I’ll stop on this chemical thing Chicago 2014. They pump they looked at 346 pregnant women in the eighth month of pregnancy. They did urine tests on them. Em and they measured phalates 5 phalates these chemicals used to mold plastic and they categorize the results into quartiles the lowest quartile the next the third and the highest quartile. That’s all they did. They followed The Offspring of the pregnancy for seven years. And when these kids turn seven years old. They did Wexler IQ tests on them the official IQ test. There’s not much in medicine. That’s all or every this is every every child whose mother was in the highest quartile of phthalates in urine and pregnancy compared to the children in the lowest quartile of phalates and urine and pregnancy every child in the highest quartile.

Their IQs were seven points lower than the kids in the lowest quartile of phthalates in urine and Pregnant 7th. Not it doesn’t mean anything to anybody until you understand a 1-point difference in IQ is noticeable a seven-point difference is a difference between a kid working really hard getting straight A’s and a kid working really hard getting straight sees this kid doesn’t have a chance in hell your kids your grandkids don’t Have a chance in hell if their mother in pregnancy was in the highest court tail quartile of phthalates in her body B, and then just go to Google and type in phalates and neurogenesis nerve growth and here come the studies how phalates inhibit nerve growth. So if Mom accumulated phalates in her body at a high level over the first 25 30 years of her life. And so she’s in the highest quartile of phalates in pregnancy.

That kid doesn’t have a chance and that’s most little girls start nail polish when they’re five years old, right and that’s not the only source there are so many sorts. So you have to learn all of this to stop the exposures and hand. You have to learn. How do I detox? How do I get this stuff out of my body and you have to learn all this? Well, tell me what pill to take swell be better. There is no pill. And there’s a bunch of bozos out there that will sell you a pill and say that you’re going to detox and you’ll be fine and they make millions of dollars off of this stuff until the FDA shuts them down. And when they finally come at him with legal action, they just shut down the company and they go open a new company with a different name and do the same thing again, right? There’s lots of sharks out there doing this. So but we I’m sorry to be so harsh about this. I’m really sorry, but no, it’s good stuff. I just see so many people. Suffering and really trying to be well, but they don’t understand but nobody’s in my experience in my experience people have to be open to understanding this this is the challenge because I’ve had this these sorts of conversations with a lot of my loved ones and you know, they think I’m from outer space, right and and apparently they’ve got to be sick enough. Yeah, I’m not even sure I’ve got some that are sick and I’m not even sure that’s you know, they want to get the pill you know that it’s want the pill. Yeah, and then they Believe the doctors that say take the pill you’ll be fine. Yeah, so so so the question is Doctor.

Can you refer me to the study or studies that show that this is going to make me fine? Yeah. Well, well, there’s really no evidence that you’ll be fine. But it helps you feel better. Well, I don’t want to just feel better. I’m happy to do what it takes to feel better, but I want to get rid of this thing so I can live a long and vital and you know full of life. Life life, right? Yeah. So let’s go back.

Let’s go back to those pillars because I know we’ve talked about the genetics and we talked about the leaky gut, right? That’s two right. Right, right. There’s the genetic sorry. Yeah, there’s the genetics. Next is the Environmental triggers that activate your jeans and I’ve given you examples of that with phthalates and heavy metals but most most competent by the way environmental triggers are also what’s inside of you that your body is producing we call those stress hormones. Those are environmental triggers. So if you have too much stress, it’s just as deadly as eating Krispy Kremes an  go in terms of being healthy right now, and I don’t mean to Target. I’ve I’ve experienced I think Appearance that myself too and that explains things right? I’ve had so environmental triggers. Now the most common environmental trigger is what’s on the end of your fork. That’s the most common and people think people think if I don’t feel bad when I eat something it’s good for me. That’s just not true. You know, the ratio is 8 to 1 for every one person you get stomach or gut problems from eating something. There are eight people that Out they get brain symptoms or bladder symptoms or joint symptoms the next day and they never associate that their knee is really given problems when they wake up in the morning and it’s got to loosen up got to get in the shower and loosen all your joints are all stiff. They don’t associate what they ate yesterday is causing all that because their stomach didn’t act up on them. So the ratio is 8 to 1 for every one person that gets gut symptoms. They’re eight that don’t they give brain symptoms. Or ear aches or joints or skin or kidneys or bladder but you don’t feel when your bladders acting up until your urinary history or habits are altered. You don’t feel when you eat that food that it’s causing inflammation in your bladder that that’s your genetic vulnerability. And so when when you increase inflammation, it’s like pulling on a chain the chain always. Said the weakest link, it’s a one end the middle of the other end. It’s your heart your brain your liver your kidneys, wherever your genetic weak link is that’s where you’re going to feel it, but you don’t have feeling nerves in your bladder until he gets so bad. It just doesn’t function very well anymore. Then you notice the symptoms so that goes on for a long time. So that’s number two is the Environmental triggers.

Okay, so don’t think because you don’t feel bad when you eat a food, it’s good for you the way you find out if the foods good for you is not it. By doing the Zoomers because you zoom in on the problem. It’s a category of blood test of a new technology that came out for years ago Mayo Clinic calls it a new era in laboratory medicine. I guess it’s silicone chip technology. I called the 30 30 30 years ago. It took a 30 by 30 room floor to ceiling computers to generate the computing power of this phone. And if I told you 30 years ago that I’m going to hold this little black thing in my hand, you know, I’ve got a bunch of different pictures on it and I’m going to push on one picture and I can tell you that the air particulate matter right now in San Francisco is 34. That’s pretty darn good at the u.s. Embassy here in San Jose Puerto Rico. It’s 13. That’s really good. But in San Antonio Texas, it’s at 94. It’s a Red Zone. That’s really bad or Rinse Piazza Italy it’s also at 94. I mean I can pull this up in 5 seconds. If I told you that 30 years ago, you’d never believe me. You think I’ve been watching too much Star Trek, right and you just wouldn’t but that’s just not possible. We couldn’t imagine the same thing is true in laboratory medicine and people don’t know this but the blood test your doctors are doing were designed in 1990 2000. Maybe if you’re lucky 2005, it’s called a life. Testing it’s good testing, but it’s nowhere near the technology we have today. And so the most comprehensive tests are called the Zoomers.

There’s a wheat Zoomer corn Zoomer soy Sumer corn Zoomer that looks very thoroughly of do you have a problem with this food or not lectin Zoomers, so you can find out with a high degree of accuracy 97 to 100 percent according to Mayo Clinic 97 to a hundred percent accuracy. This is this test is going to give Give you accurate information. So you test to see what foods you are sensitive to that’s environmental triggers. That’s number two. Okay, number three and altered microbiome that the the environment of your gut is called the microbiome and it starts in the mouth with your oral microbiome, and it goes to the other end all the way through your microbots. Important is your microbiome in 1999. Dr. Michael Gerson and Princeton published his book the second brain and that was a game changer for many of us because we had never heard this stuff before but he told us and it’s been proven accurate for everyone message going from the brain going down telling the gut what to do. There are nine messages from the gut. But going up telling the brain what to do. The ratio is 9 to 1 and how does that happen the good bacteria in your gut have exhaust it’s called metabolites. It’s just exhaust. 37% of all of The small molecules in your bloodstream are the exhaust of the microbiome from your gut 37% what over one-third of everything in your bloodstream is the exhaust of the bacteria in your gut.

Why what what’s that about? 

The term is called modulates and it’s a geek word. That means has its hands on the steering wheel. So the microbiome of your gut has its hands on the steering wheel of how your body functions bottom line. That’s it 9 to 1 ratio in terms of telling the brain what to do. All right brain. I want this amount of brain hormones called neurotransmitters so that we can make more melatonin or it’s time to go to sleep now. So we need more melatonin or serotonin calm down calm down a little stress right now make more serotonin calm down. So your gut is sending All of those messages up to produce the balance of your brain hormones your brain chemistry now driving the steering wheel driving the car imagine you turn the steering wheel just 5 degrees to the right a hundred yards down the road. You’re off the road.

So when you’ve got an abnormal microbiome producing messages, there’s too many bad guys in there not enough of the good guys the messages in your Your bloodstream are too many altered messages and your brains going whoa. Whoa. Whoa, we call that anxiety depression bipolar schizophrenia. Just Googled depression and microbiome and look at all the studies that show the correlation when you fix the microbiome your depression calms down and you don’t need the antidepressants anymore for many people. You can bring balance back to your brain chemistry. So your microbiome is critical not just for your brain. I just use as example, right just just Google microbiome and cardiac function microbiome and kidney function microbiome and liver function that if there’s only one thing you’re going to do to be healthy only why I’ll do something but don’t overload me build a healthy diverse microbiome. Nothing is more important than that. Absolutely nothing. We’ll have more bang for your buck than building a healthy diverse microbiome. Take you a long time to do it take you a year six months to a year to do it. But every day you just lay down a bunt, you know, you keep going for base hits. You just stop going for a home runs. You know, that’s the American dream tell me what to take. So I’m going to feel like a million bucks and go out and conquer the world and it doesn’t work like that.

Right? Let’s it just doesn’t what’s number four. 

Number four is intestinal permeability. When you have an altered microbiome and you have an inflammatory microbiome you get this leaky gut we talked about at the beginning, right? What’s the leaky gut mrs. Patient if you take a doughnut and you stretch a donut out one big long donut, you look down the center of it. That’s your digestive tract. It’s a tube and when you swallow something it’s in the tube. It’s not in your body. It’s in the tube. And the proteins from the meat you eat or whatever it is. They’ve got to be broken down really small to get from the tube through the walls of the tube into the bloodstream and we don’t think about that. But that’s what’s got to happen that’s called digestion and then getting through the walls into the bloodstream is called absorption, right so think of protein like a pearl necklace hydrochloric acid in your stomach undoes the clasp of the pearl necklace now, you have a String of Pearls.

Is your enzymes act like scissors to snip snip snip snip snip the pearl necklace into smaller and smaller pieces clumps of the pearl necklace until you’re down to each Pearl that’s called an amino acid. And the inside of the tube is lined with cheesecloth and the amino acids are small enough to go right through the cheesecloth into the bloodstream, but the bigger clumps of the pearl necklace cannot get through. They’ve got to be snip snip snip Snip snip until they’re small enough to get through the cheesecloth. That’s why your intestines are 20 feet long because it takes a whole lot longer to digest prime rib than it does a banana. Yeah, right. So you need all that length. But what happens one example, I gave you was weed activating toll-like receptor 4 you get tears in the cheesecloth. We call that leaky gut and it’s transient until it’s not anymore. Now when it’s permanent now, you’ve got the leaky gut and these big molecules called macromolecules get through the tears in the cheesecloth into the bloodstream. That’s leaky gut when those tears in the cheesecloth get through into the bloodstream your immune system trying to protect you since whoa, what’s that? That’s not supplies that I can build new bone cells with or new brain cells. I better fight that big molecule that clump of whatever that is. Now you make antibodies to beef or to check in or did Tomatoes or to Basil or a raspberry? Doesn’t matter whatever the macromolecule was. They got through the tears in the cheesecloth. Now your body is going to try and protect you and fight it and when you make antibodies to these macromolecules, the special forces are looking for the orange vest of that food or whatever that sub bacteria, whatever it was and those orange vests look a whole lot like the tissue of your body. So just Google rheumatoid arthritis and klebsiella, and you see that the antibodies to Clem Ciela can attack the collagen of your joints you get rheumatoid arthritis or Google search.

No, that’s too geeky Google brain deterioration and gluten and you will see that the antibodies to gluten can attack your brain and you get brain dysfunction. It’s why? Twenty-six percent of every patient in our practice that we’ve ever tested that had antibodies to wheat meaning. They cross the line of Tolerance now, they got a problem with wheat 26 percent of those people also have antibodies to the cerebellum in their brain. 22% have antibodies to Milan the Saran wrap around your nerves. So that is why it’s so when you have elevated antibodies to your cerebellum, you can’t feel that you can’t feel that you’re killing off cerebellum cells every day 24/7 every day a few more a few more a few more. You can’t feel that until you’re in your 60s or 70s and then you try to dance down the stairs. You can’t you. You don’t have the balance because your cerebellum controls balance your cerebellum controls the direction to your muscles of where to put your weight. And that’s why you see as we age people are not graceful anymore on the planet. They don’t walk with Grace. They’re shuffling or is for many of them their cerebellums been atrophying for years because they had a sensitivity to wheat that was never identified and you’re killing off cerebellum killing off cerebellum killing off cerebellum same Truth your thyroid the same is true with any tissue in your body. So when these macromolecules get through the leaky gut into the bloodstream pillar number five is your immune system trying to protect you that creates this inflammation in your body to attack. Whatever these threats are. And that’s the mechanism behind all chronic inflammatory diseases all of them.

Thank you. That’s amazing. Thank you for explaining that I have sure our listeners are going to be really excited to understand why and how all of this stuff works because yeah, I don’t think it’s hard for people to understand how one thing can lead to so many different issues with people. Right? 

And I think that’s what causes people to not believe in it because it causes different like you said, whatever your genetic weakness is right and I certainly understand that from my own experience, but now To shift gears. Yeah, just leave listeners common. Yes, please one more comment on this.

I know that I sound fanatical when I say this, but all I do is real science every day, you know, I I’m not traveling now because of our current situation usually have I do about a hundred fifty thousand miles a year and I’m just at medical conferences teaching and teaching and teaching but now I’m doing interviews more often. So I’m just reading the science all the time and that’s why I was late here today. I’m sorry Ashley. I was a little late because I went down there. Rabbit hole about hidden sources of gluten and vitamins and I just downloaded seven six or seven papers on that. But when you look at this if you take the time, you know, and I recommend people take one hour a week, maybe one hour twice a week if you’ve got that but just start exposing yourself to some of this information. I’m telling you and you know, read my book my books. They both talked about this the most recent And book is you can fix your brain.

That’s the name of the book. It’s number one in seven categories on Amazon for brain function because it’s a really good book. But when you read this you say well this just kind of makes sense. You know, I don’t need to scientist understand that this makes sense. Totally third saying well, it seems rational to me. Okay, indoor air pollution is worse than outdoor air pollution.

Okay. I didn’t know that but you see some of the That I talked about and you can get the studies if you want, but we’ve built a couple of houses and in moving into those houses. My wife has been almost debilitated. Yeah exactly her affect her genetic weakness or whatever to those triggers. Yeah. Yeah Sherry very clear and apparent.

Yeah, it’s most likely that she has some genetic vulnerabilities in her detoxification capabilities. And that’s an easy test to do to find out is called a detox. Genomic test and if you got these vulnerabilities, if you’ve got these jeans that are vulnerable to not breaking down the chemicals were exposed to because no humans got the ability to break down these chemicals right not follow. So how viruses mold fungus and bacteria, that’s it. So how does cannabis and CBD come into this?  CBD activates the endocannabinoid receptors what the endocannabinoid receptors do and they’re throughout your body. What they do is they say, alright, let’s activate the genes for anti-inflammation. And they do a really good job of that and basically that’s a bottom line. That’s what it is C. So if you stop eating the stuff, that’s cause it with wheat number one. 

If you stop eating wheat and you begin to supplement your diet with CBD, then you should be reducing the inflammatory response, you know responders or whatever you want to call it. Right? And you’re also increasing then the CBD anti inflammatory response.  CBD for Inflammation. 

That’s correct and The danger and why I agreed, you know to do your show is that CBD doesn’t fix anything if you’re still if you’re still living the same lifestyle cause the problem right now, you’re likely to feel better, which is really great. But the inflammation can still be going on or the antibody certainly are still being made you’re killing off your brain or your killing off your thyroid or your killing off your joints, you know, wherever your genetic.  Durability is but you feel good right and not that your altered because CBD doesn’t alter but you just anti inflamed and so your joints are moving better, right?

So right I just want to make sure people understand that it’s CBD is a great tool a really great tool to activate more of the anti-inflammatory genes in your body. CBD is great for that. But you’ve got to stop throwing gasoline on the fire and or years 20 years down the road you’re your hippocampus your memory Center is gone and you’re going to be you know Blue Cross Blue Shield just came out this year with a document and if you can imagine they’re arguably the largest Health insurer in the world right and they are not a good Samaritan they’re a profit-driven company of course right and so they Jay just came out this year and they showed that the incidence of Alzheimer’s in between the 35 to 50 year olds between 2013 and 2017 so in four years the incidence of diagnosis of Alzheimer’s in 35 to 50 year olds went up four hundred and seven percent Four hundred percent not 10% increase not 34 hundred percent in three years. Wow at what’s happening. Now, there’s an epidemic occurring that people just aren’t putting any focus on whatsoever. How many of your friends talk about? Yeah. Not remember in the way. I used to you know that most people have that going on now to some degree and what’s happening, but and that’s an awful.

That’s an awful thing to witness my great-grandfather. Father passed that way and it’s went like that in terms of he couldn’t even remember my name, you know? Yeah, and I’m I’m telling you. It’s a he and the incidence of autism at the other end of life the early life and the kids are in charge off the charts and going up exponentially every year. It’s really bad right now. And so I’m suggesting to every patient that comes to us. There’s two tests. They do the wheat Zoomer because it not only is the most comprehensive. Of test for wheat sensitivity and all humans have a problem with this also test for leaky gut. It’s the most comprehensive test for leaky gut in the wheat Zoomer and then the neural Zoomer plus you do those two tests because the neural Zoomer plus looks at 48 different antibodies in your brain 48 and we haven’t had anyone come back normal on the neural Zoomer plus because everyone has inflammation in the brain. But they just don’t know it right. So when this thing comes back on a first test and it says you’ve got 16 markers in your brain of inflammation. Well this explains mrs. Patient why you’ve been noticing that your brings not quite firing on all eight cylinders the way it used to this is why you got a bunch of inflammation there and then the patient will why do I have the inflammation? Let’s figure that out.

Let’s look at what the environmental triggers are that are setting off the inflammation for some people. Cosmeticians are loaded with chemicals because they’re doing hairspray and you’re dying hair and you’ll their nail polish and their own chemicals all day every day. Then their bodies have been soaking it up and that’s their trigger for somebody else. It’s too much wheat for somebody else. It’s too much Dairy for somebody else. It’s the phalates, you know, you it’s going to take a while to identify where the environmental triggers are coming from. But the first thing you need is to be to get scared to Why’s that what and if you have a family history of dementia, absolutely Ashley, you should do this s and what you’ll has matter of fact, I’m going to call you out. I’m going to say listen, man. You’re a hell podcast and do the test right and and show people what your results are and say. All right. Now, I’m on a journey and we’re all going on this journey together to figure out what we do about this, right? So if you want, you know, you get a bunch of people to do this these tests with you. I’ll come on and I’ll talk about it with you. Once in a while, I’ll help you okay, or you find a health care practitioner to do it, you know individually who knows about these tests. We’re training doctors every week, you know, we’re doing webinars now and not on stage at this time. Hope to get back out there pretty soon, but we’re training doctors all the time and they had no clue about this technology silicone chip technology about the accuracy of these tests or about the frequency.

Of this head doctors don’t have a clue. So I guess what you’re saying because I you know, if I understand it, we all have the problem, right? So the ideal thing is just stopped eating wheat, you don’t need to get the test, but you’re saying hey, maybe get the test and that way you can confirm to yourself that you’re that this is a good lifestyle change to make well the that’s a good point. But the problem is there are so many hidden sources of wheat that people don’t know about as I mentioned today. I went down a rabbit hole on hidden gluten in bite. Engine companies are lying about it that you you can feel better, but you still may be throwing enough gasoline on the fire to trigger the auto immune mechanisms, wherever your genetic vulnerabilities are, but you you may get more energy when you go gluten-free or you might lose 15 pounds in a couple of months without trying when you go gluten-free. That’s a healthy thing. You know, people are packing that extra weight, but you need a starting point so that six months or a year later when you’re feeling Feeling pretty darn good but there’s still something a little out of balance. You do the test again, and you say oh look Benchmark. I still have two markers out of bounds. Why is that? Well, you’re getting you’re getting an exposure somewhere. We have to really meticulously and we’ve had people find out that you know, one gal, you know, she would do a candy a little mint every day that’s on the counter that the receptionist in the medical officer. Dr. Wu. And her secretary who receptionist had put these mints out every day. She’d have one a day or so and she found out that four months earlier. The receptionist had changed companies for the men’s and the new company had gluten in it. So she was getting low gluten every day and it took months and months and months before she realized say there’s something wrong. I better do that. We’d Zoomer again. And then she found out that she had a number of antibodies elevated then she did the Deep dive to fail. Okay. What Nothing in my world what’s going in my mouth? And she’s like, I don’t know even what are the honey or not? Honey? The receptionist? Where did these come from? Call the company? Oh, well, yeah, we’ve been using these for a number of months. We’ll wait a minute. We’ve been using those men’s for a couple of years. No, I changed it about four months ago. That was it. No, so you need the Benchmark to start with so you can monitor and make sure you’re thorough because all right.

Well, I’m going to check it out then that’s that’s

One more thing on that you can’t be a little pregnant. You can’t have a little Glutton all it takes and the science is very clear nanograms a billionth of a gram will activate toll-like receptor 4 in the proximal part of the small intestine a billionth of a gram. Holy definitely what so that one little stud little that one little bite. Yeah is trying to protect you from pathogenic bacteria that it could kill you. And so the more efficient your immune system is because the immune system mistakenly sees gluten as a harmful component of a microorganism. So it just just billionths of a gram is all it takes.

Dr. O’Bryan. Thank you so much for your time today.This has been absolutely fantastic. I’ve learned so much and I think our listeners have got a lot to think about here with regards to diet and how to how to make life changes and an understanding that CBD can be a piece of this, but it’s certainly not a Magic Bullet to cure everything that we’re talking about. It can be a tool to help 

No, I made this comment this offered to you and I’m I’ve just completed a study on LPS the exhaust of bad bacteria and we had a hundred and twenty some people who wanted to do a keto diet and lots of people, you know, there was a keto Summit and I said on the summit the only danger is if you’ve got LPS, you can’t do a keto diet because you’ll get worse right? And so a bunch of people said what the heck is that so we just completed a study on this it was 90 days.

Study and the results were jaw-dropping So if you get 25 people or more that want to do this and you can do the wheat Zoomer and the neural Zoomer plus then I will do webinars for you just for you guys about or if you want to make it, you know for everybody you can I guess but how to interpret the test. What do you do and then you recheck in 90 days or 120 days and what does it mean and watch what happens to your help? Awesome?

I’m going to take you up on that. I follow up with you in the next couple weeks great. Great. Thank you so much. Have a great weekend. And thanks again. Very informative. 

Thank you. Ashley. My pleasure be well.

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17. CBD for Sleep

CBD for Sleep. Today show’s with Molly McLaughlin of It’s a great conversation around one of the most common things that people struggle with with in today’s world, which is struggle with sleeping.  Molly provides some great Insight. We talk about cannabis and CBD for sleep, but also she shares several things from her experience around helping people achieve better sleep that I think our audience will find quite valuable. So I hope you enjoy the show today. Thank you.

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Hi Molly. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you? Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you. This is awesome. I’m so glad that we were able to set this up. Oh amazing. Well, I’m very excited to be a part of the the the kickoff the launch. So that’s awesome.

Thank you for joining. I’m excited to talk to you.

Yeah, me too. So this will be great very cool.

So let’s just dive into it, right. So how do we tell me about how you you came to incorporate cannabis or CBD into sleep therapy? I refer to them interchangeably because obviously CBD is cannabis and I think that’s helped helpful to people in terms of understanding and destigmafying this whole thing. But how did you incorporate that into your expertise around sleep? Yeah great question.

So probably helpful to know where you know my interest in sleep in general came from and basically the the company the creation of sleep is a skill started from really solving my own problem with my with my sleep. And that was that for many many years. I just thought of myself as a lots of labels a bad sleeper a short sleeper and Night Owl sleep anxious all these sort of things around my sleep and but I didn’t think to too much of it throughout most of my life and till I went through a period of insomnia for around three to four months straight while traveling internationally and it just really was one. Of my kind of my personal rock-bottom moments and how you know really was meant. Yeah and it how was really manifested was through that just inability in perceived inability to sleep and that’s where that sleeping xiety label came up from just I began to actually like the sun would be setting and my heart would start beating faster of like what is tonight going to look like I’m not gonna be able to sleep and all this sort of stuff and it was a really kind of scary and disempowering time in my life and when I went To the doctors in Croatia, I could even speak the language and so I’m going in there with Google translate and and I leave with a prescription of their version of Ambien and it was kind of in that moment of okay. So what is the plan here? What am I going to be doing to actually, you know ensure that I’m not taking this sort of stuff over the long term, but it didn’t there wasn’t a ton of guidance on the ground at least four in my experience of what to do and I was actually looking for a Just like, you know support groups or they have someone to speak to about like what do you do in these situations? So in Flash Forward was able to really go down the rabbit hole of fixed and really correcting what was not working for my sleep and then transforming that into now measurably have a lot of different trackers around my sleep and being able to now quantifiably having some of the best sleep that I’ve ever had and certainly now being able to work with so many other people on that so

Through that process really what I became really fascinated by was Cronin biology and in the science of time and understanding that our circadian rhythm is something that exists on a spectrum. It’s either weak or strong circadian rhythm and that many of us are you know, certainly in the west arguably finding ourselves more on the weak side of our circadian rhythm that certainly was me and was living really upside down to the normal schedules of you know, what we would look to create as Colonel creatures meeting that remains a week Rhythm week rhythm is means no sleep. We circadian leads to lack lack of sleep still a week circadian rhythm simply kind of points to that. Your body is not at a place where just count on ably you’re getting tired at the same time you’re waking up at the same time sort of intrinsically and that your hormones are all kind of functioning so that your cortisol is rising in the morning like almost natural coffee and then your melatonin and then dropping in the evening the cortisol and then in the Names shifting over to said nice steady rise and melatonin so that you can drift off to sleep easily and effortlessly but many of us don’t have sort of that strong functionality as much as we used to have in hunter-gatherer days or certainly just even prior to electricity really then the ability to augment our days so artificially so what happens then is our hormones can go amok our glucose levels can go all over the place. Our moods can shift in our ability to just know ourselves to go to bed at around the same time and wake up around the same time doesn’t really happen. Whereas if we have a strong circadian rhythm, then it’s almost just automated for us. It’s those friends of ours that might you know you go out and then they always still wake up at the exact same time or they’re always still going to bed at the same time despite what’s going on around them. So we’re looking to improve the strength of that circadian rhythm.

So that a lot of the thinking is taken out of the conversation, so So for me when realizing that this circadian rhythm entrainment element plays such a big factor into the results of our sleep then one. I was really empowered because there’s so many behavioral changes that I could make to make a difference and to then being able to get connected to a measurement system of you know, what are my results around my sleep but on the conversation around CBD or cannabis then one of the things is that I found to be really really helpful with that is that it can provide a natural option to have kind of a healing process around our relationship to looking for something external for our sleep. So for many of us and certainly I was you know, no different that I was looking for like the quick fix or the supplement or the pill we’re going to go to sleep now help me go to sleep now and what has been really helpful with CBD is then that can provide also a number of benefits from the anti-inflammatory side of things pain management side of things is on the number of clients that have it’s a multi-faceted problem around their sleeps and they might have some whatever arthritis or endometriosis or all these are the things that bring up pain flare-ups that can impact their Sleep Quality. So then having that natural sort of anti-inflammatory, but also its ability to work on the endocannabinoid system. And The rhythms that it helps regulate can be really a place for people to stand that’s separate from going straight to hypnotics or benzodiazepines, which a lot of people find themselves on with sleep issues. And it also has been something that people have been able to utilize to help wean themselves off in the long sort of tapering process for people that are have been on those type of drugs for a long time to give them something that can help assist with that is a big deal.

Yeah, absolutely. I excuse me. I’m going to meet while I cough. 

Oh, yeah, go ahead then there and well, thank you for that.

I was just going to say I’ve been in involved in the CBD world for about five years now and I was fortunate indeed to be exposed to you know, just thousands and thousands of people and around and their experience, you know, anecdotally around CBD in particular and Firstly the number one thing people talk about when they start taking CBD is that I sleep better. It just it’s just by Far and Away the number one thing that people say even if that’s not what they’re taking it for 

right and people are always kind of worried about that because they’re like, well, I don’t I don’t necessarily want to go to sleep in the middle of the day, but my pain is in the middle of the day and it’s like well, that’s not how it works. Right? It doesn’t put you to sleep.

Can you elaborate on that a little bit 

Yeah, so really great point because Snot innately a sedative or you know, it doesn’t have that kind of quality to it instead what it seems to help with particularly for a lot of the clients that I’m working with. Is that kind of low-grade anxiety or sympathetic, you know kind of nervous system response throughout the day and going into the evening. And of course that is counter to what we were, you know, discussing around what we want to kind of cultivate of that drop in cortisol and rise in melatonin into the evening to kind of Set the stage for sleep to appear because you know no sleep is as a process by which we’re kind of lowering the Hertz output in our brains to then shift over to this weird, you know Twilight state that our brains going to when we sleep and to do that really does require a relaxing or relaxation process of the body in prep for that. So things like cannabis and CBD that can help mitigate. A gate some of the anxiety that we might be experiencing throughout the course of the day can often help make a difference to bringing that cycle back into place, and then there’s still a lot of unknowns around CBD in the its function and I keep saying CBD and of course, I know some people will be referring to cannabis as in for their results with their sleep depending but certainly there’s still questions with the endocannabinoid system. And how that all works were still there still exploration and the understanding of that but it seems to very much be a rhythm based element. So understanding that we can help normalize some of that Rhythm process and some of the benefits that seemed to come from things like CBD for that or really really not to be overlooked. Yeah. I think It ultimately it comes down to or may come down to who knows we need.

We need two more science to understand it right but in my my This is based on my experiences. It comes down to it’s basically helping your body. Get back to its natural as you say Rhythm and that’s why people think well, how can it be such a miracle solution for so many things right? I don’t believe that there’s no way that it can possibly nothing works for that many different things and you know, the I’ve always kind of thought well, it’s because different people have different outcomes based on the same sort of You if we were deficient perhaps in cannabinoids, then maybe your ability to handle anxiety is affected. Whereas my my ability to sleep might be affected versus somebody else’s ability to deal with recovery or pain in the knees or joints, right? It’s we don’t know but what we do know is that all of these things seem to have a common denominator in that cannabis is helping restore the body back to its basic. You know Central Point they call it homeostasis, right? But it’s you know what I don’t really understand how to really say that in a way that people could understand it better. But other than I love the term Rhythm right? So I guess just talked to me about that. What do you what is your reaction there? 

Yeah, so there are some interesting. So we’re still lacking on the number of studies to really be able to point to and I’m hoping that in the future the more and more different states are Realizing the u.s. Anyway that the more and more will start to see money being put towards the ability to have some of these more larger scale studies. But even on some of the smaller scale studies, there’s been evidence supporting the influence of circadian rhythms on the level of endocannabinoids and just the ability to regulate the amount of cannabinoids in the in the body. So the there seems to be this Clear Connection and almost seemed like they really worked together in a puzzle piece. And so what seems to happen is that that Rhythm can get strengthened by the use of CBD and course again still need more studies need more and a lot of what we’re seeing to with people even you know, I had I’ve had a few CBD experts on the podcast and speaking to some of their approach with again.

Probably guys that I keep saying CBD only because of course Times cannabis is in that conversation, of course to but some of these experts will often do just a lot of trial and error with each individual patients. So then testing them with different levels that will work for them. And of course, there’s bio individuality with each person but finding that sweet spot and still we do have a lot of like anecdotal evidence around the impact. So for me with my clients, I have a lot of everyone that I work with is has to wear a sleep tracker of some sorts. So right now I’m in did that everyone has the or ring, you know as of 2020 and so we can at least see changes in heart rate HRV respiratory rate it, you know body temperature and a few other markers. So that gives us some indication of if things are kind of trending in the direction we want or not. So when we do see people being able to have something That helps mitigate the anxiety elements than what we tend to see is a change in HRV and that’s that heart rate variability, but that’s a really important important marker in this conversation because it points to a regulation of our or the state of our autonomic nervous system. It’s one of the few readouts that we are metrics that we can kind of point to count on ably that can can deliver that sort of information. So so understanding that can be helpful of seeing are we trending? I kind of away from that’s the sympathetic sympathetic response more regularly or the dominancy of that. So I would say that those are some of the ways to that you can search on the ground sees this making a difference for you and dosage and the trial and error that goes into that. Well, it’s tough. 

Are you do you ever run into anyone that has Like a side effect that goes the wrong way like for example, obviously with THC, you know THC could keep people from sleeping. I could see that happening, you know, depending on the heart rate and you know how people may get you know, and and and on the strain, you know, if you going with something that’s more, you know, you know sativa terpene e that kind of thing that’s going to theoretically give you more energy but absent of that with CBD perhaps you ever see anybody that can’t sleep. Taking CBD for sleep. 

So what I will say is that one of the things that I’ve started to do with people is having them first focus on the day with CBD and the reason I say that is just because from the psychological perspective some of the people that I’m having do that tend to be dealing with anxiety in general. Anyway, and of course how our days look tend to be mirrored in our nights and so how we’re breathing throughout the day tends to Be reminiscent to 2 degree unless there’s some abnormality to our breath with sleep apneas or obstructed breathing.

But for the most part if we run anxious during the day then we tend to see those kind of same characteristics while we’re sleeping. So I often will start people with CBD for sleep during the day so that we can start to manage some of the daytime anxiety because one of the things I’ve seen for some really anxious patient or not patients, you know clients for me that I’m working with is That they if they are taking into the night and something new anytime. There’s something new there can be the tendency of kind of hyper vigilance on that thing and especially if it’s a new if they’re very new to this idea of cannabis or CBD for sleep then they might think oh the I’m having some sort of response and it’s oftentimes. So if we can normalize the act of having that during the day and limit sort of that anxious, you know problem so that they’re not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Even just like one or two times of having it in the beginning and the newness effect of that. Then we can kind of edge them in and then taking into the evening because that would be one of the things that I have seen that hasn’t worked is that you know, if they’re very new to this idea no matter how many times you seem to say like, okay. This is not going to have a psychoactive component to it. It’s going to you know do this and the other just the what perceives for some people is like The Fringe nature of it or what they’ve heard around these things and they think still Things going to happen and then they get even more riled up if that makes sense.

So totally makes sense. It’s yeah, so some people, you know, create the out their own response somehow, right and it subconsciously right and our brain is so powerful in this conversation and then because sleep can certainly take some time. Once you’ve gotten yourself riled up. I always speak to this one Gadget that I think is really interesting called a BBB not because of the Gitano necessarily, but because it speaks to problem with people that have chronic insomnia that one of the measurable things that you can tend to point to is a rise in the brain temperature and the temperature in the brain from chronic insomniacs of having difficulty kind of regulating that thermoregulation and cooling down before bed. And we really need to one of the cues to go to sleep is that the body temperatures cooling the heart rates lowering all these things are happening. But when we are all you know, jazzed up and anxious that we can often have the opposite and then if you flare up anymore overthinking, sometimes that can further lead to just you know hours of it being difficult to fall asleep. So just normalizing that this is really not going to have that effect like, you know, testing out during the day when you’re you don’t have something on the line of like, oh, I gotta sleep has been one kind of tactic that I’ve used for. People to have it not be such a scary thing right now. 

That’s great. Do you do how do you approach like your clients? Like did I mean obviously it’s there’s an individualized approach. I’m assuming to that but how do you how do you tell them what they need to do first? Right because I’m sure I mean sleep is a skill is the name of your your website in your approach, right? So, where do you start? How Do you think about that? 

Oh, yeah, so we have two overarching Frameworks that we work from one just being kind of a general place to stand that there is what we call a sleep tripod. So kind of with any workability of any tripod having three legs that are kind of all functioning within in agreement with each other one being psychology one being physiology and one being environment and if any of those are kind of out of alignment then of course the tripod won’t stand quite as Well, so kind of restoring workability in all legs of that area or just having the knowingness that one leg might be particularly more out of alignment than others. Very common examples of that is from the psychology perspective some things happen. There’s a divorce there’s a you know, lost their job empty nest syndrome, whatever something happens and so we can address that part of the the Paradigm, but then also from the physiological perspective. If you know there’s certain hormones that we might test for blood work that we can look into. So if there’s certain clear sort of deficiencies in vitamin D magnesium iron issues all these sort of things that might impact our sleep results. So if we can start to restore that to so then that can all play a role within the psychological perspective and then I would make the argument that the environment piece for most people certainly in the west and the 21st century. Tend to have a lot of things that are happening in their environment. They might not be aware of that are likely impacting their sleep. And so we go to work on that and then so that’s the overarching framework and then the second framework piece of the puzzle is what we call circadian rhythm entrainment. And so that in training process is, you know, you can point to it in chronobiology against that science of time to entrain our circadian rhythm.

The most important things is our relationship to light And so then that’s the top rung. And the reason for that. Is that our Master Clock in our brain, the suprachiasmatic nucleus is directly connected to our eyes and the eyes are part of the the Q point. So understanding that the body is taking in this information. So they’re known as time givers and the number one most important timegiver. Is that light and then the second one is temperature. So first we’re dealing with the getting the light right and kind of our environment and how so many of us have it very much opposite and that’s certainly what I had for so many years I would wake up late and it would be sort of in dim lighting. I might have a headache or whatever I’m sluggin around and then you know, and so really kind of just like dimmed out and then I turn on all the lights right as the Sun is setting and so it’s the exact opposite of what we were meant to really be encountering. In a lot of ways, you know, we have to think all about and strategize, you know, just based on our environments of how to bring this back. But really it’s more of a simplistic thing that we’re harkening back to because of course in hunter-gatherer days the Sun would rise and then that Q of the sun of the light along with its coupling of the rise in temperature in the environment those two Q’s would then really act as the clear alarm clock that would naturally sort of wake us up. Cuz we were with working with in nature. We were outside in nature so much more whereas versus today, you know, the World Health Organization released in 2016. Then an estimate that the average person in the west was spending over 90% of their days inside indoors and I was before a pandemic before, you know, even ready Oculus sir. Will you know VR and all these sort of things that are so likely it’s probably even higher numbers now. So having said that with the problem that Creates is that we’re kind of becoming the zoo animals that are totally devoid of those natural cues that kept us on time and on track for so many years and now we’re kind of off that and now we’re indoors we even when you’re behind Windows, it changes the structure from a physics physics perspective of what light then does from a signaling queue for their hormones on top of that the ability to stay inside and just turn our Nest or whatever thermostat and to you know keeping this regulated. And time temperature was very different than what we would have ever been accustomed to outside.

So all of those things that you throw in daylight savings time. Hey now it’s the worst and you know, so each each state you’re going into might have a different thing where you I’m over in the west coast right now. 

I’m actually in Vegas which has non stop light. So I’m excited about that. But you travel we just went to Utah the other day and then travel over the border and then your have a different time zone go to Arizona different time zone. I mean, it’s just crazy. Yes, but I’m originally from Maine and New York. So I’m used to the you know, very dark and early early Darkness cold Winters and what have you so I hear it all but yeah, exactly. So all of those things really, you know, cause a real problem and if you’re where you living geographically makes a big difference if you’re above the 37th parallel North which is basically, you know cuts the line right across like callow mid, California.  you know. Across that’s what America yeah, exactly. And so if you’re north of that then going into December for the average person, it becomes more and more difficult Beyond throughout the entire course of the winter to create enough that vitamin D that we need which really X is a hormone, but it’s a big Conversation Piece for a Sleep Quality because vitamin D is very important as a precursor run and serotonin and melatonin. So if we don’t have all those things in place, then you can find your having insufficient melatonin. In and then when it what happens when it gets dark at like 4:30, then many of us just you know flip on all of our lights. And again, it’s just like upside down. So melatonin is actually known as the hormone of Darkness. So if you want to produce more melatonin and have the ability to fall asleep easier and not wake up throughout the course of the night then we really want to make friends with darkness and so many of us have a, you know, very deprived of true Darkness.

Throughout the course of the night and you know might sound like a little thing or certainly that would have been my thinking like a light who cares like what’s the supplement to take her what have you but it really is huge huge huge and it’s something that even you know, NASA has done tons of studies around to help optimize for their astronauts while they’re in space and the sun’s rising and setting every 90 minutes while they’re, you know, traveling in the space shuttles and so becomes a big deal to how do we maintain a strong circadian rhythm in those type of environment? So what we can do here is then the most simple element is having as bright as possible days and as dim as possible nights and of course when you’re sleeping total black, so but the dim nights and the bright days seem to be a real problem for many of us from a habits perspective of how to make the time and our days to actually get ourselves outside to be exposed and you really want to all over as much of their skin as you can possibly. We expose because those photoreceptors in virtually every cell of your body or getting a sense of what time it is and that’s keeping certain organs on time hormone production on time. It’s you know, a big kind of fall out and then the second part like I said of that Riddler that that framework that we’re operating within is that temperature that’s super interesting about the temperature is that there’s all these other things that will influence your temperature probably the one of the most challenging for a lot of my clients is mealtime. And so the time of when you eat will impact the temperature of your body. So if you’re eating late, which is what I used to do, especially if you have alcohol paired in there too, then you can anticipate a measurable change in your body temperature and then that can be a Mist kind of cue to the body of what time it is and when to go to bed and shift workers can use this to their advantage, you know, if they know they need to stay up and are tired they can eat and then the body will be kind of confused because it feels like okay. Well if we just ate we probably need that energy. So presumably we’re staying up but many of us now just do that kind of second nature as part of our evening routines without thinking of it.

Yeah, totally. Wow. That’s thanks for sharing that that’s that’s really good stuff and a lot of value there in terms of helping people understand that it’s not just as simple as taking CBD for sleep, right? I mean, there’s other things you have to do and what You touched on it with a lot of different supplements there right magnesium and vitamin D and some other things that you mentioned. What about just diet diet and exercise right of how does that play into to sleep patterns and The rhythms that you’re looking for? 

Yeah great points.  So exercise is another one that will influence that body temperature. So one just ensuring the timing of our exercise is conducive to that strengthening our circadian rhythm so ideally, Doing that earlier on in the day and certainly the part of the goal is in the evening doing a run, you know, at least four hours before bed. Ideally, although I have had some clients that just added the nature of the scheduling of their days. They found themselves going a bit going to work out right after work, you know again, I know this since a pandemic a lot of things have changed for many people but assuming that schedules kind of stay the same that they’re working out after after work and then they’re finding Elves under lots of blue light, you know, I’ll highly like stimulated environment. And so what can happen when we kind of just shift the workouts just a bit to make it a little bit earlier. We never want to you know have people have the sense that they’re cutting out the workout because it’s a big deal for normalizing our hormones and kind of feel good response and was a lot and blood flow and all kinds of great things that then can produce stronger. A higher quality sleep when and we see that the athletes so, you know, we don’t want to at all, you know have people not working out because of the timing but then what time can we move it to or shift things around so that you can make it a little bit earlier on so then you can also benefit from the thermal regulatory response of that so that you’re getting your body temperature up during the day and then dropping in the evening because that now you’re like allowing for more cooling response. So doing that. And then also for the meal timing one of the things that will suggest for that is something called circadian rhythm intermittent fasting so and it’s just like a fancy series of words to basically mean that you’re aiming to eat between sunrise and sunset. And naturally. I know that can be a little challenging certainly in the winter.

So people, you know, sometimes it sunsetting whatever for 30 or whatever so during that time but you’re still looking to have it be as coupled as close as possible to that so and part of the measurable elements because I again, I like to even though I’m knocking it sounds like I’m knocking Tech from a perspective of now we have all these problems because we were indoors and Bubba, but at the same time, I think it’s really exciting because the more we have people measuring some of the things that we’re doing the more they’re in the game of improving some of these things. So one measurement system that you can use is a continuous glucose monitor and then If you were to do that for 14 days or one month, you can get a really good insight into for many people the the highly unstable nature of their glucose and what that has an effect on your sleep is really profound. So if you’re someone that finds that you’re waking up a lot through the night, then one of the first things that we tend to look at is how is your blood sugar because when we have the instability and then the crashes that can happen during the night while we’re sleeping the body can rule. Respond with adrenaline and cortisol and then those are the type of wake-ups that often you wake up and you’re like up and you have that moment of like I’m not falling back asleep. Those can often be kind of related to blood sugar. So if that is something that you’re dealing with then that can be one of the Band-Aids 221 identify is that you and to to kind of mitigate the that response is that you can ea 

The higher fat or protein item in the evening looking like, you know collagen protein or like a spoonful of almond butter. Some people juice sweet potatoes your snack down.

Yeah, right exactly. 

And so then you can test and then you can see because a lot of this around sleep to is starting to kind of it’s like a puzzle and pulling and seeing what is really at the source of what’s not working for you and these are some of the common ones so then when so if you then add unify that you’re having a little less wake-ups when you do that then we don’t want to always have you having to take you know, almond butter whatever before bed for Infinity. So we want to instead then shift to okay. So if we’ve established that’s part of what’s not working. How can we balance blood sugar throughout the course of the day? So we’re having less of those problems in the evening. 

Wow, really smart stuff Molly. Thank you.  Right Yep.

The sleep is a skill podcast on our website. We do have a couple of things to just help if you’re dealing with issues with your sleep right away. Then a couple things that you can do to take action one. We have a free downloadable PDF called the optimized bedroom. So 18 strategic, you know tips and tricks from low-tech and high-tech to improve your bedroom space to make a difference with your sleep results, including you know,

So having CBD nearby if that’s you know can help in the process among many other things you can do. So the downloadable PDF is there and then that also signed you up for a Weekly Newsletter. If you couldn’t tell I’m pretty obsessed with this topic, so it’s called Molly’s Monday obsessions. So every Monday for the last I don’t know like a hundred and twenty-five Mondays or something, you know will drop the kind of most interesting things in the world of sleep and it’s really exciting time because there’s so much in the realm of A sleep Tech and things that you know more studies that are coming out and more information that we can kind of learn from to improve our own sleep and really make it I think a really fun. This is how nerdy my levels are fun are fun game to to improve this area, which I think is really just yeah, it would be fun for people to do it. Exactly exactly and then if you are clear that things are just not working for you. We do have sleep. It’s on there so that you will get real live people, you know kind of responding around what’ 

happening with your sleep. And we do have small group cohorts and online courses and one-on-one options to if you want to really dive in deeper, that’s great. I really appreciate it. 

And I love the passion that you have for this topic and it’s something that you know, I have not suffered a lot of this in my lifetime fortunately, but when I have it’s been really really bad and I my wife has gone through periods where it’s been really really bad so I know, I can sympathize with the people who are listening and hopefully I’m sure you’ve given him a lot of great advice here today and I hope that anybody out there that is listening.  We’ll check out if they’re looking for help. So thank you Molly and you have a great day. It was great meeting you I’ll send you an email later and let’s stay in touch.

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for having me. I so appreciate this and I love the work that that you guys are doing for, you know, so many people it’s make such a big difference.

And yeah, I appreciate being connected. Thanks so much. Have a great day. Thank you. You too. Bye.

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16. CBD Side Effects & Drug Interactions

CBD Side Effects & Drug Interactions:

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Hello and welcome to the show. Today’s guest is Brian a center. He’s a registered pharmacist and from Connecticut really a great conversation. He Bryan spent 15 years working at Walgreens and his desire really was to help people and so he turned his back on that and went the Cannabis route medical cannabis route and has been in the dispensary business and Consulting and helping people for the past five years and it’s you know, he’s really genuine worries. My from some excited about this conversation will also be talking about CBD drug interactions and CBD side effects as they pertain to both those to CBD into cannabis, so great episode. Hope you enjoy the show.

Hello Brian. Are you doing Ashley? Good? How are you doing? All right.

Thank you. Nice to meet you and thank you for taking time to talk to us today happy to thank you. So to

give us a little bit of a background on yourself Brian and I know you’re a registered pharmacist and you spent many years with you know, one of the big guys at Walgreens, right? Yep. Absolutely.

Do you know I guess just it would be really interesting to know you a little bit about that transition and and what you know, what kind of LED you to that? 

Yeah. I mean it was a situation where I think most pharmacists are at this point is you know, you you get to the point where every day is the worst day of your life and it’s pretty miserable existence. You are busy arguing with doctors and insurance companies about what’s covered and what isn’t and why your arguing with patients about being a why it’s taking so long and why it costs so much and you know, you’re usually having discussions with your Corporate Offices about why they’re taking hours away and expecting more out of you and everything else. It just it wasn’t what we went to school for. We weren’t helping patients. We weren’t really, you know able to do what we set out to intended do and you know, you became a machine more than you were anything else, you know, any patient that wanted to ask a question. Usually, you know, you got a phone in one year and you’re hanging around the corner trying to answer their question because you didn’t have the time to devote to the patient’s the way that you wanted to to truly help them out. So I had looked into the program when it first started. I had sort of discussed everything with my wife and in Connecticut, one of the great things for me personally. Anyway was that they mirrored the pharmacy program. So you had to be you had to have a pharmacist as your dispensary manager in order to open. So that just really kind of opened a very narrow door for myself.  But in the beginning it was back in 2014 when it passed we were a little skeptical. We didn’t know how it was going to shake out what the national landscape was going to be if they would come in and shut everybody down or anything to so kind of decided to stay away for a little bit and I had talked to a few other friends that were Walgreens employees that I worked with before that ended up managing dispensaries and just said Listen, if anything comes up, let me know. I’m interested. I just you know, I wasn’t ready to make the move before but I’m sure ready now and about maybe six months later. I got a phone call that there was an opportunity and I jumped at it. I didn’t know much of anything at the time. I was you know, pardon the pun but very green and it was it became a labor of love so fast, it was so much fun. I legitimately knew next to nothing. I mean, you know the differences. Between sativas indicas and hybrids were still something. I was working on, you know, so it was a bumpy road at first but it’s just so amazing how on a daily basis you have such a direct effect on patients lives and their outcomes and their quality of life and I legitimately get goosebumps on a daily basis. I mean, that’s what I went to school for to begin with. That’s why I went to pharmacy school was to help people and improve quality of life and everything and you know you Really had that taken away from you in the pharmacy world and it was given right back to us in the medical cannabis, you know seen so it really is awesome. I legitimately had a patient the other day that was in a horrible car accident had major neck and spine problems has been in a wheelchair for about two and a half years within three months. She’s coming in with a cane not even a walker or anything. I mean, you know those and I said to her I was like legitimately. ‘you are the people that I speak about all the time. You’re the reasons that I do this like this is the Goosebumps that I’m getting Goosebumps. Just thinking about it, you know, and those are the kind of people that have just been kind of, you know, they’re on all these pain meds and opiates and benzos and muscle relaxers and everything else just to help them be comfortable, but they would like to participate in their life. They’re not barks happy just being comfortable anymore. So you know that for me was was the opportunity and where everything just changed and And it really became a just a passion more than an actual job.

So if you had anybody in your life that’s been impacted personally with cannabis positively or just your desire to go and help people drew you into this?

Not anybody personally in my life, but that was really it was really my desire to go and help people. You know, I mean as a college kid, I had, you know experimented in everything. I knew there were medical benefits that came. I’m from it, but you know didn’t really know much more than that. And I just knew that this was something new this was something natural. This was not just chemicals that were isolating and putting in our body and you know, just putting up with side effects just because you know, I mean the the safety profile the you know, and just how people believe in and how positive it’s bad and all the stories that you hear. I just had to see for myself and you know, I didn’t expect it to become the Of my life and such a passion that I you know, really am very much an advocate for until I got involved and realized how much it can help and I think that was more impactful for me for seeing other people than it is. Sometimes seeing your own family members, you know, because you know what they’re going through the people out in public and you know, I say to all of our co-workers and everything all the time, you know, the people that you see in the dispensary you’re seeing them on their good. Days, you know the last three days they may have been laid up in bed and not able to get out not able to do this that the other thing so, you know, we have to respect that what people are going through in their own personal lives can be very different from what we see and that’s very true in the pharmacy world as well. You know, I mean they come in and you see him for 30 seconds and they’re filling their you know, blood pressure meds and this and that but you don’t you don’t know what else is going on there why they happen to be cranky today or not or whatever the case may be. And you know for our patients it’s a little easier to see there’s much more chronic, you know disease and conditions that they’re dealing with and and I feel like we all kind of respect that a little bit more of what they’re going through and they’re not just a number at the counter when they’re coming through. 

So tell me about what you’re you know, you were a pharmacist and then did you go into a dispensary as a kind of learn learn the ropes and as behind the counter so to speak and then now you’re acting as a consultant a patient advocate sort of role or tell us a little bit more about exactly what it is you’re doing. 

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know when I started out I was just managing the dispensary, you know counseling patients Consulting with them and everything and it was awesome. It was absolutely an unbelievable experience. I learned so much from them, you know, and I believe that the end they were learning a lot from me as well. But sitting down and having those conversations were such an amazing. Part of it for me to learn how they were being affected by the medication and everything too. But what I also learned was that, you know in Connecticut, especially there’s a lot of patients that just want to know if this can help them. Is this something that is appropriate for me. They don’t, you know, we have to spend, you know, typically around a hundred fifty two hundred dollars for a doctor’s office visit plus the state requires another $100 fee just to become a part of the program. They Haven’t purchased any product or anything like that? It’s usually a good, you know, four to six-week process minimum for them to even get into the dispensary and they’ve spent all this money and they don’t even know if it’s appropriate for them.

A lot of them are freaked out by you know, whatever stereotypes they have or stigmas that have been attached to it. And you know, a lot of them are just worried about getting high but you know, their kids told them that it was better than the opiates and they don’t want to be on the opiates anymore. So what I felt And what I see happening in a lot of the legalized States as well. I had gone out to Oregon. It’s for a conference out there and I got there early. So I went to about five different dispensaries. I just wanted to wander around and talk to people just kind of learn what they’re doing, you know, everybody on just like Pharmacy practice differently on the west coast the East Coast the north to south whatever so I wanted to what are you doing that we’re not doing you’ve been doing this longer. I found out in the first two dispensaries that essentially nobody’s doing anything. If there are nobody to counsel patients, they don’t really have a lot of patients. They just have customers that’s a problem because those customers our patients and you know, this is regardless of whether they’re using it for whatever adult use. They think they are they’re medicating. No different than you have a couple of drinks at the end of a night to calm down from a long day. That’s a form of medicating, you know, so to be able to have conversations with people on an appropriate level and you know, especially your patience. Are having serious medical conditions cancer Parkinson’s Ms. That are really looking for help. They need somebody to speak to and there’s not that resource out there. So I wanted to get ahead of the game in Connecticut. We haven’t legalized here. But I know once that happens you’re going to lose a lot of medical professionals from the industry and patients are going to need to answer the answer to have questions answered. Sorry, and I you know right now I have the opportunity to Counsel patients just if they’re not getting the help they want at the dispensary.

I mean, you know, we all know that no different than a pharmacy where you go and you’re just like I don’t trust the pharmacist that I’m talking to their or whether it’s a doctor whoever, you know, I’m there to help answer questions. I’ve been doing this quite a while now, you know, I’ve been speaking all around and just to give a different perspective, you know, and one of the great things is everybody’s menu is online. I’ve talked to you know patients out in California, New York, Pennsylvania. You know Florida that all I need to know is what dispenser you’re going to I can go to their website and I can get you you know, specific products of what they actually have in stock that we can go through, you know dosing we can go through strains and effects and time of day and delivery methods and all of that and really get them a regimen and you know even have follow up with them, you know, oh, they don’t have that anymore. What am I supposed to do now? You know, that’s probably the biggest thing is I can get you started but when they go Back for their next visit those meds aren’t there anymore, you know, they are there at a different dosing or you know, strength or something too. So they’re like well now how do I do this? I don’t know what to do and they’re all freaked out and say okay. We got this. We just need to do a little math and figure out how to adjust the dosing, you know, and that’s really given patients so much more freedom in it. I think probably the biggest disservice I do to myself is sometimes I educate the patients a little too much so they don’t need my help anymore, but I’m okay with that.

There’s plenty of patients out there and I just want them to have the knowledge that you know, listen, you can adjust your dose and you can you know, make the changes that you need because you know, we’re not 20 milligrams of Paxil depressed every single day, you know, our pain is not 20 milligrams of Oxycodone every single day. t changes we should be able to adjust our dosing of our medication so that we can function better or you know, get some more rest or whatever it is that we need throughout that day as well and they’re really Lee learning the way to go about doing that and helping themselves with it. So, how do how do your patients find you so my website is one of the easiest ways I am currently managing managing a new dispensary in New Haven. So through the whole Consulting thing. I’ve been Consulting for businesses and dispensaries as well and I got connected with another company that was putting in an application that we were fortunate enough to win. So I’ve been managing a dispensary in New Haven, Connecticut And my email is If anybody wants to contact me there.

I’m always happy to help been really working on a lot of advocacy at the you know the state house here in Connecticut. Trying to get legalization approved as you know, that seems to be Be coming very soon, but we still have a lot of people that just don’t have information that they need. So I’m just trying to make sure to provide them with as much accurate information as we can right now to so, I mean, those are the really the main things that I’ve been working on and you know the advocacy and everything is really been a big thing. Just because you know, like I said about you know, Oregon and you know, a lot of those States up there that are considering eliminating their medical program altogether in favor of adult use for tax purposes. They’re going to need people like myself out there. So, you know, once legalization comes through it’s just going to be you know, hopefully more opportunity for me as well. But I want to make sure that when it’s done it’s done properly. It’s done with proper oversight and testing and making sure that you know, the reputation of our medical program is, you know, followed through right into our adult use program and everything as well. Yeah, certainly, you know, one thing I comes up a lot.

When I talk to people is a concern about you know, CBD or cannabis with egards to drug interactions, right? And so being a pharmacist at are there certain I guess conditions that require certain drugs that people should be more concerned about or is there any generalizations there that you can provide? 

Yeah. It’s really more generalizations, I guess than excuse me than anything. You know CBD is it does affect your cyp enzyme system? So there’s a lot of medications that are also broken down by those same enzymes depending on the medications. They can end up allowing levels to build up higher. They can allow them to be, you know, broken down faster and eliminated faster as well. So typically the groups that you’re looking at are going to be some of your anti epileptic drugs and stuff too.

So Keppra on fee and Depakote are three of the big ones they’re really for Patience and you know, we have so many people that especially, you know, those epileptic patients that just want to use CBD to get things under control and you know, it’s safe for kids and this and that and absolutely I think it’s a great adjunct but you definitely want to make sure that your doctors are aware, you know, and you want to make sure that obviously we have all the third party testing and everything to to make sure there’s no you know other contaminants of any sort that are affecting your other medications some of the other things some of your blood thinners. Be affected by CBD as well, not overly significant, but it’s something that you want to be aware of. Typically Coumadin is the biggest one there. I know most doctors are trying to get away from Coumadin using it very sparingly just because of its, you know, very difficult and small therapeutic range that they have but they do start a lot of patients out on that. So if you’re using CBD, you want to make sure that you know, your doctors are aware, especially if anything is changing there but a lot of times, you know patients. It’s have been using it. Anyway, whether it’s cannabis, whether it’s just CBD, whatever happens there and because of the safety profile of it in general. It’s really something that the doctors can be aware of just through blood testing and everything is their starting medications adjusting dosing of medications. I would say one of my biggest concerns is when patients start either cannabis or CBD or whatever. They think they can just stop all their other medications and that’s going to be you know, okay, and that is the

Absolute wrong thing to do. You want to make sure you’re working with your doctor’s that you’re slowly adjusting dosages that you’re tolerating everything well, but you want to get stable with your CBD or you cannabis first before you go adjusting any other medications, you know, and if the doctor is aware that you’re going to be adding CBD or you know entering a medical McKenna this program, then you know, they need to be aware so that they can monitor your blood work make sure that you’re not having any additional side effects whether it’s the medication or the Cannabis but it’s you know, typically a lot of our patients have used cannabis for a while before they you know came to the dispensary anyway, so, you know, a lot of the times that they’re using these medications the doctors have adjusted for it without even knowing, you know, the patients were to using it didn’t disclose that information to the doctor and the doctor was dosing accordingly and if they’re doing their blood testing and everything as they should and as appropriate to make sense, they should be able To you know adjust accordingly and see those Trends that’s the makes total sense. Thank you for sharing that. What do you in terms of patients and and Trends right? What do you typically see? I mean, I know the Cannabis and CBD both kind of span the gamut of all kinds of things that could help with but anything that just overwhelms you in terms of like it’s so frequent that that surprises you. Prizing I don’t know if I’d say anything is really surprising at this point. I think the biggest surprise to me honestly was the amount and more a generalization in the beginning but it was more the amount of people that are so uncontrolled on their typical prescription medications and that’s regardless of whether they’re suffering from PTSD.

They’re going through cancer and chemo their epileptic there. Whatever the case may be there. They’re just not controlled. Well on their prescription medications, they are having significant side effects. It’s not doing what they needed to do, you know, whatever or they’re just bouncing around for medication to medication to medication and they just don’t know what’s going on there. So I feel like you know, the the bigger thing there is that they’re able to start to get that consistency from their medication. They get a little bit more stability. And that is you know, I mean cancer patients number one, you know trying to deal with the pain of the chemo the nausea the vomiting. I think that’s our number one because people see CBD and cannabis as really being best for those type of things. Anyway, just recently in Connecticut.

We approved chronic pain and I think the chronic pain is probably going to be our biggest one is we’re seeing most everywhere just because patients want other options. There’s so sick and tired of the opiates and the Enzo’s and just walking around in a fog all of the time and it’s not working and they know they’re addicted and they you know, they can’t get what they need when they need it and their family wants them off of it for one reason or another so, you know, I’d say those are the biggest things, you know, a lot of Parkinson’s patients have a ton of benefit from it too. Especially early onset, you know that are younger with just some Tremors and stuff like that that are just, you know, embarrassed at the young age to have those kind of things. You know, those are the people that I would say we see the majority of you know, the ones that are just kind of fed up with your typical Western medication and Healthcare System and they want to be more active participants in their life. They don’t want to be comatose stand and flatlined and everything anymore. They want to feel things they want to you know, go to the grocery store and be able to finish a trip or whatever simple things nothing extreme, you know, they’re not Going to go run a marathon or anything. They just want to live right now.

That’s great. And thank you again for for your passion for what’s going on and what you’re doing and and your focus. What’s next for you? What do you what’s exciting that you’re looking forward to in 2021? 

Well right now the dispensary that I’m at were actually working with one of our producers and Yale on a study. There’s a couple others that were supposed to be working on in the next couple of years to hear that there are starting to You know really use more more specific cannabinoid, but within more full spectrum stuff that’s on that with some of the producers here in Connecticut. They’ve really gotten very scientific with it and just seeing a lot of what they’re doing is really got me excited, you know, they’re very interested in in whole plant full spectrum, you know cannabis, but they also have these, you know, individual cannabinoids that they’re doing that their lab testing everything right there in the facilities.

So a lot of that is really what’s been exciting for me is just being involved in the science and the research end of things, you know, personally just being an advocate and you know helping with the legalization process here in Connecticut as well and educating our legislators and everything. Those are some of the things that I really enjoy doing and I’m also been participating with the international cannabis pharmacist Association. We have conference that We’re doing annually now to just to help educate other pharmacists, you know, get them an idea as to what’s going on. You know, I know in Connecticut the when they took cannabis and they made schedule to in Connecticut, so they completely discouraged jeweled it what that means is that doctors and pharmacists can now see that patients are using medical marijuana when they look at their prescription monitoring program and see what other medications they’ve picked up. So you have pharmacists that I’m getting call from a lot of other. Leagues and school friends and everything. What do I do about these patients that are asking me about CBD and about, you know, they’re how their medical marijuana is going. And how do I adjust and what do I talk to the doctors about and everything? So, you know, I found a lot of a lot of those conversations have been happening because of all of this to and and I think that’s really exciting is just being able to educate my peers in ways that there is no schooling for there’s minimal see he’s for and everything to Tony even at that to get good information. His is not easy, you know, there’s there’s a lot of either misinformation or old information which old could mean two weeks ago in our industry. So, you know, and and that’s one of the biggest things I tell them to is, you know, look this is what I know today. It could be very different tomorrow. So please just take it all with a grain of salt and understand that we are learning as we go we’ve never been in a situation like this and in medicine so, you know actively studying while we are you know, And everything to or certifying and dispensing so, you know, I think those are some of the more exciting ends of things right now and where I’m really looking forward o the direction that the industry setting. Okay.

Thank you. And one last thing just came to up to mine any side effects like these. Do you see anybody that has side effects with CBD or cannabis that Beyond getting high right? I mean, that’s the obvious one. But anyone that did anything people should be looking out for?

Not really, you know CBD is pretty innocuous. As far as side effects are concerned, you know high doses it can get, you know, more sedating and drowsy, you know, and by high doses were talking, you know, 300 milligrams and up, you know, if people are really interested in side effects on CBD. One of the best resources is just looking up the drug information on Epi dialects, you know, they actually did all of the studies and everything there. You know and but part of my concern with that is, you know, they always list the diarrhea and the nausea and the vomiting just because a lot of people had that to begin with, you know, it wasn’t necessarily a part of the medication itself. It is very good for those things. So you do have to take some of those with a grain of salt as well. And as you said if you know you get very high doses in those trials as well, which most people don’t typically need exactly and you know, your typical dose of CBD is going to be probably 15 to 30 minutes. Milligrams not 300 milligrams. So, you know, you don’t have those sedating effects or anything from your CBD. So and one of the great things about CBD that we explain to patients all the time is it really can help with the the intoxicating effects of THC? So, you know, one of the side effects of CBD is decreasing that intoxicating effect of THC. So, you know having them together is really, you know you go again you go back to whole plant and decreasing Side Effects by having CBD with your THC.

So you Don’t you know it’s still possible to get to that uncomfortable high place with THC and CBD together. You’re still going to feel THC at some point or another but that CBD can really help to mitigate that uncomfortable feeling that high that you know, I don’t want to be here. I don’t have control or whatever. So, you know, that’s typically it but otherwise your side effects are just you know too much is what’s going to cause the paranoia with THC and cause that uncomfortable feeling, you know Edibles are Nine out of ten times what’s going to lead people down that path as well? Just because they take so long to kick in somebody’s used to smoking. It’s you know, that’s almost immediate. This is you know an hour or more before it might kick in so I don’t feel anything take more. Oh, I don’t feel anything take more before, you know it. These are the kids that are looking to jump off a bridge because they’re paranoid and losing their mind in their, you know, Skin’s crawling and everything else, you know, so just being aware of your dosing and being Just of how you’re reacting making sure you’re not, you know dosing again before you should be just because you think you can handle it, you know, listen to your medical professionals and that sense. It’s not going to do you any good to just go blasting through your tolerance or your you know, where that Comfort level is, you know, one of the ways we always deal with it and what I always explain to my patients is it’s very possible that you get high before you get the relief you’re looking for. That’s okay.

That’s to be expected a lot of times. Dealing with this. It just means we have to peel it back a little bit work on a little bit of Tolerance and then we will slowly progress through that but you know, this is not a miracle drug just like opiates or not and a lot of the other ones. It’s a process and it’s not easy to get to that relief, but I promise you we can keep you functional while doing it if you’re willing to go on that path with me.

Let’s great perspective Brian. Thank you so much for your time today and really great to meet you and I really appreciate and respect all the work that you’re doing and help. People out, so it’s with great intentions and good luck and to you as you continue forward.

Thank you so much. I appreciate for having me. Take care.

Thank you.

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15. CBD for Inflammation & Immunity

Today’s episode features. Dr. Lindsay Elmore and we’ll be talking about immunity and how cannabis and CBD can impact immunity. Dr. L Moore has explored her own challenges and through that. She’s found Chinese medicine as well as yoga and meditation and obviously cannabis and CBD and we’ll talk about that. Dr. Moore is also a pharmacist. So it’ll be very interesting to talk to her in terms of how CBD cannabis might compare or To be used in conjunction with where as alternatives to traditional drugs. So I hope you enjoy the show. Thank you.

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Hi, good morning. Dr. Umar. Thank you for joining us.

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me.

Well, it’s great to talk to you. I’ve been excited about this conversation talking to an actual pharmacist here today and that expertise is something that I’m very intrigued by as you may or may not know I’ve been in the CBD game for about five years and had a lot of good times with Charlotte’s Web in the early days and talk to a lot of patients and there was always questions about this right like what are drug interactions what are alternatives what what’s the safety protocol all of And the stuff so I know that you’ve there’s a lot about you in general that’s more than just a pharmacist. So I you know before we kind of dive into that because I think that’s part of what makes you really unique and helpful to folks tell us a little bit about your background and all the other things that you’re working on and then we can kind of get into some more of the details around cannabis and CBD 

absolutely. So I am a chemist and a pharmacist. I have a bachelor’s in chemistry from the University of Alabama Birmingham and then a doctor and Pharmacy from University of California San Francisco. I did two years of postdoctoral residency where I specialized in Primary Care the disease, you know chronic disease diabetes pain inflammation. It all kinds of disorders that a lot of people have then. I became very frustrated with the practice of Pharmacy because I got to this point where I recognize patients are just coming. In and getting meds and getting more meds and getting more meds and not getting any better. And so I really wanted to craft a practice that empowered patients to become their own doctor in a way and so I discovered essential oils fell in love with them became a yoga instructor started doing plant-based cleanses. And so now I have evolved. Evolved into a total of five brand. So I have my personal Pharmacy practice. I have my podcast the Lindsey Elmore show that I work on. My vegan gluten-free foods to Graham and food blog is called Clean Slate cleanse. I also hope other health and wellness entrepreneurs to understand their brand through through something called brand strategies lab, and then I also have an essential oil education. Platform based around one specific company’s products called while and Club so work on a lot and do a lot and have recently started really teaching a lot more about CBD since it’s been so in demand since all of the legal and Regulatory changes happened back in 2019. So that’s a little bit about me crash course.

So what I’m intrigued like what why are you so open to these? 

He’s like most folks you think you can go through traditional Pharmacy schools and things like that. They’re they’re taught a certain protocol and an approach and they kind of stick to that.

It seems like you’re much more open-minded and and holistic and what you’re thinking about and what you’re practicing. So how did that happen? Is it just something that’s always been with you or there’s was there a catalyst event in your life or my or I’m totally off base when

I was in pharmacy school. I tore my ACL and when you tear your ACL you get locked out in a leg brace for six weeks 12 weeks. And so when you’re in the leg brace your knee cap can’t your knee joint can’t bend like it’s used to bending and so I ended up walking in a way where I would hike my hip every single day and I ended up one day realizing that I couldn’t sit on both of my sitting bones that I was like all wonky and off to the side that landed me in the Cairo. Tractors office I mentioned to the chiropractor. Hey Doc, I haven’t slept in a month and I feel like I may die and she said well you should go to the acupuncturist and the acupuncturist really introduced me to the concepts that Western medicine doesn’t do. Well, you know Western medicine is amazing at critical care. If you are really really sick you want to be in an Arkin Healthcare institution, but if you are pre-diabetic the Western institutions do relatively little to help you to prevent the progression to outright diabetes.

So when I started learning a little bit more about Chinese medicine Chinese herbs that opened my eyes to understanding more about meditative practices my grandmother all the way Back in like the 60s was taking meditation classes and taught me how to meditate as a child and I just became more lucky you yes, I know she taught me how to meditate and how to type 

two things that still to this day serve me very well and then I became that wacky pharmacist who really knew more about herbs and supplements and interactions with medications pharmacist. You that they could come to me and say my patient just brought in this random bottle. Like what do I tell them about it? Then it sounds crazy. But my life changed in an instant when I discovered essential oils. I sat in my living room floor and was like pouring them on my head and diffusing them and was just I knew right then and there that my life would change and so I left the practice of Pharmacy went to work for an essential oil company for a while and then transitioning to becoming an entrepreneur.

I am now currently in training to become a certified practitioner with the Institute of functional medicine. So furthering my education. I’ve been certified in trauma release techniques as I mentioned. I’m a yoga instructor and so it has just grown and grown and it’s it’s like the more you learn about holistic medicine the more you understand that there is only one cause Of disease and all we have to do as humans is just address that one thing now it’s hard and its multiplicative what you have to do to get down to curing the root cause but if you’re not dealing with inflammation and oxidative stress in your body, you can have any number of diseases. And so that’s what I want to help people to do is change their diet so that they calm down the inflammation learn to meditate. Tate so that they calm down the inflammation advocate for environmental policies that reduce our toxic burden in our environment to reduce our inflammation. So you really get down to the basics and that’s where I live and practice is just with the basics stop doing the toxic stuff. You know, you shouldn’t be doing eliminate as many toxins that you can’t avoid Eat Right Live a stress-free. Life drink clean water move your body and get out of toxic relationships. It really is that simple. It’s just hard to put it into practice.

Yeah, and I think you know, I don’t know but I have this perspective that it’s also it’s so hard to put it into practice a lot because of the programming that we’re that were given as we are raised right? I mean, it’s there’s a mentality to just take a pill, you know, I just And I just want the the solution or I don’t really want to pay that extra dollar for that organic produce. Right? 

I just want to save the money because I want to go do something else with it. But it’s those choices is it not that that really where all this whole thing starts. So, you know, if you’ve read The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy, Darren Hardy is he’s writing towards entrepreneurs and so he says, you know people think that It’s just manifests over night. And that somebody is just like poof an instant success.

That’s not true. What makes businesses successful is the willingness to show up and do the mundane crap day in and day out over and over again that it takes to run a company the same is true for your body sit back and ask yourself right now. How long did it take you to get into this physical condition that you are currently? Only sitting in right now. What makes you think that going to the gym one time or eating even let’s say you do it for a month. You’re still going to be in your same physical body. And so I think that we need to understand that health is not something that you can just flip a switch and make it work. It’s you know, I work with patients a lot of Time in they’re coming to me and they’re like I’m in pain. I’m you know, I’ve got this autoimmune disorder, but what they then start telling me is that their marriage is falling apart that their husband cheated on them that they hate being in their home until that gets fixed until the toxic burden stops inflammatory process. You’re never going to break down the cycles of disease. And so I think we have to understand That help is a series of choices that play out every single day. It’s not something where you can just it’s not name it blame it and tame it as we say in functional medicine Western medicine is all about we name something.

We call it diabetes, you know, we blame it for the fact that your foot is numb because you don’t have circulation and then Tame it with metformin and insulin and medications when we don’t ever take the step back and go. Wow, why don’t we turn off the faucet of sugar and fat and cholesterol and stress that’s leading to the diabetes in the first place. We need to look way further upstream and get the mentality of when I My you know, it’s garbage in garbage out if we put garbage in we’re going to get garbage out and then we’re going to say well the garbage collector will come and just move it. Well, that only can take place for so long and I understand that there are people who say, you know, I really just can’t afford to eat right but if you don’t afford to eat, right? 

Eventually, you’re going to afford having a heart attack or can’t afford not to exactly and so, you know, I really think and I wish our food policy was different in this country because there’s should be no reason that organic food is Out Of Reach for average people there should not be the problem of food deserts in this the richest country in the world. I truly believe that everyone deserves access to healthy food and that the premium price tags should really be put on the standard American diet foods that are making us sick and keeping us sick. 

Well, I think it’s a yeah, I agree and I think it’s a chicken or the egg kind of thing too. Because you know, I live in Boulder Colorado and I have no problems having access to the most wonderful Foods around right? It’s just it’s but that’s the That is because there’s more people here who are interested in that and who have taken accountability for their choices. And there’s a demand then for that food my family and I’m spent most of my life in Indiana, you know, when we go there it’s difficult to find the right Foods. I mean we can find them but it’s challenging you have to go to multiple places and they don’t always have everything in stock and it’s simply because there’s not a demand I am I believe if there was more people that had the awareness if there were more people who had the awareness. That you’re talking about and that I’m referring to that the demand would be higher and therefore their prices would go down because there would be more people producing it and we also need to stop subsidizing the corn maze.

We need to stop subsidizing agriculture because you know, you think about corn and soybeans and most of the Corn and soybeans that are being grown are not even edible at our field. So like the irony of an Iowa One farmer who can’t feed his family at the end of the day is not lost on me. And there’s no reason for us to subsidize corn and soy other than the insatiable desire for meat because most of the Corn and the soy in the wheat that is grown is actually not fed to humans. It’s fed to livestock, which is a crying shame because in my understanding of food consumption of a plant-based diet is a better way at least for the vast majority of human beings. Not a heavy meat-based diet.

So everybody who’s eaten keto out there. Don’t don’t you know, you know, I still love you but it is just going to say I agree with about everything you’re saying but a man I’m a carnivore right? So we again it’s programming we’re programmed to think that we need meat. Program to think these things but it is undeniably delicious.

No doubt. It’s just the protein for me. I find that it’s hard when I eat because I don’t know my daughter is actually a vegetarian and we eat very very helpfully because because my wife is just a wonderful cook and very aware around nutrition, but the the meat dimension of protein and how I feel like it’s just that’s more I’m open to getting out of the programming, you know what I mean? But yeah my physical feelings personally when I eat and lay off the meat and try to get protein other ways. It just doesn’t I don’t feel it’s good. Then that is an intuitive eating which is valuable. It’s a mindfulness around what you are eating.

However, we do know very clearly that people who are eating a plant-based diet are not at risk for being protein underfed and so it It’s not that you’re saying I’m actually lacking protein what you’re saying is my mind loves the experience of eating food, which is part of the experience of eating food. And so we can’t deny that it that is an important piece of the equation. So listen it it’s just like meditation eating should be a To of a meditation and mindfulness practice. And so if you’re able to sit down with your grass fed steak and your you know, green beans and all of the good things and feel amazing about what you have just given your body as nutrition and fuel great really great. I love the writing of Janine Roth who says it’s not what we eat that determines our health it. It’s how we eat it and we go through this a lot in the Clean Slate cleanse because I think a lot of times people go on cleanses and they’re like, I’m hardcore. I’m only drinking smoothies juices for like full weeks, but if you don’t actually change the way your mind is thinking about food and you immediately revert to your destructive standard American diet. You know, we didn’t make the shift that we needed to make so if you’re wanting to take a moment to be more mindful about what you’re eating and if you’re someone who is, you know, earthy crunchy and granola and eats hemp seeds and kale all day long and all of a sudden you’re in a situation where you’re getting a greasy slab of hamburger and you’re like I am going to eat this or starve at least be mindful about it. Don’t beat yourself up because you’re being a bad meal. There are no bad foods. There is only the intention and the soulfulness and the spirit that you can put into the food on your plate.

So I agree with you. So how do you one of the things I want to talk to you about was the immune system and Immunity support and you know in particular cannabis and CBD, but I’m assuming all this connects Enright. I mean nutrition CBD all that is powering that immune system. 

Absolutely. So if you think about the immune system and our endocannabinoids, so CBD THC and other cannabinoids that exist Within And hemp and marijuana, those are EXO cannabinoids, but we have our own endocannabinoids system that is within us all of the time. We have two primary what are called Li Gans. And so if you think about a lock and a key the way that the body kind of works is there’s a lock that’s a receptor and a key has to come in. So the key that kind of turns on the receptors called a ligand we have Two primary endocannabinoids. There is andamide, which is sanskrit for comes from the

Sanskrit Ananda which means internal Bliss and then there is to rakia Donnell glycerol, and those two endocannabinoids have very diverse actions throughout our immune systems. They’re found in a wide variety of immune cells. Monocytes and basophils and lymphocytes and macrophages which macrophages are like the trash trucks of your body and they are also found in so throughout the body there are cannabinoid receptors where these ligand so remember the lock comes in. So there’s these the the lock piece The receptors are widely distributed throughout the body. We have to cannabinoid receptors CB1. Is primarily in our central nervous system and is responsible for the euphoric effects. The Bliss the internal Bliss that comes from cannabinoids. We also have the CB2 receptor, which is much more widely distributed throughout our body. It is very widely distributed throughout the immune system including in your lymph nodes on. On T cells on B cells on all kinds of cells and so when you think about cannabinoids coming into the body we have tetrahydrocannabinol which hits are CB1 receptors that are in the central nervous system that caused us to have that euphoric experience, but also provides pain-killing and appetite stimulation. Lighting effects. There is also cannabidiol which cannabidiol is a phyto cannabinoid which primarily hits our CB2 receptors. It has been approved as an a medication throughout the world as a brand name the big symbols, which is helps to relieve spasticity in the body. So people who have multiple sclerosis they tend to get very specific.

A stick as well as very stiff and I have a dial can help with that cannabidiol is also used to relieve cancer pain and to reduce the amount of opioids that people need because opioids are extraordinarily addictive and cause a lot of morbidity terrible. And so cannabidiol is also brand name approved as an amp antiepileptic and it also helps. To alleviate marijuana withdrawal and So within the immune system we see that the actions of our cannabinoids both. I do cannabinoids and endocannabinoids go throughout the whole body helping to reduce inflammation to calm down the Twitchy effects of the immune system when the immune system is Named it becomes panicked and it’s like Oh, no, I got to react to that over there and the endocannabinoid system with the Ananda my dear racket on a glycerol THC and CBD help to tone those systems down throughout the lymphatic system the gastrointestinal system on the skin in the eyes on the bones really throughout the entire body now, that’s great. A nation. Thank you for the detail on that. That’s it’s really helpful to understand it. Just given your pharmacological background. How does that relate to let’s say, you know an alternative painkiller like like you mentioned it referred to opioids, right? They come into the same receptors.

No, so opioids hit the opioid receptor. So you’re taking me back to my pharmacology day. So there’s Mew opioid receptors Delta opioid receptors and a couple of other opioid receptors. And we do have indiginous opioids in our body that can help us when we have experiences with chronic pain, but the way that cannabis. Works more is that when medical cannabis gets into the body it acts as a cannabinoid all a CBD receptor Agonist. It turns it on. So it’s not engaging with your opioid receptors. It’s engaging with your cannabinoid receptors and at these cannabinoid receptors. We have anti nociceptive effects So stopping the The perception of pain is what that means and then there’s also hyper owl chick effects, which is that I mean, you know how it is. Once you’re in pain and then you get into a little bit more pain. It becomes like this wind-up that’s hard to deal with it also can modulate when the brain gets a signal of you’re in pain. So it modulates those Dib thresholds and it also has analgesic effects directly as well as having broad effects on the immune system which helps to heal.

The underlying inflammation right pain doesn’t have to exist makes sense like in my experience I had I had a really bad accident and to have a couple of plates in my head here and some screws holding it back together and lifetime of migraines and nerve pain and all kinds of stuff. But I used to use THC to kind of numb the pain, you know, when the pain would come on or the headache or whatever it was. You know, it was a user of THC to kind of numb it worked well for me, but they didn’t, you know, the pain was was constantly present. It was there every day in some way came to Colorado discovered CBD started adding that into my routine all of a sudden pain starts to go away and my own non medical training I could tell that there’s something healing happening because the frequency of these issues just started going, you know, where they’d always been there you th see for, you know, 15 years or more, you know, and the same way and then come here and add CBD and keep using THC the same way. I always have but all of a sudden the frequency of these things start to go away and and my I own you know, my layman’s terms explanation is that it had to be healing that inflammation.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, it’s there’s a reason that humans have used marijuana for 5000 years. I remember two years ago when the CBD the farm bill passed and everybody’s like CBD for everyone and I’m like y’all we’ve been using CBD for Millennia. And so the use of marijuana is an ancient. Practice. Well, the way that Evolution works is anything that’s not giving us benefit. We get rid of it, you know, if marijuana did not have medicinal effects in humans. We would all be sitting around, you know, our ancestors would have been sitting around the campfire going like remember John when he smokes that plant and died. Let’s not do that. You know, we would have this perception like we do with poisonous mushrooms where it’s like, okay. Yeah that exist. But we got to stay away from that.

So nature gave us plenty of medicines that not only help to modulate inflammatory processes, but I’m willing to guess if you have screws in your head and plates and all the things you had some sort of traumatic experience that led to that happening and in general there is nine. 99.9% of the time some kind of emotional root cause yeah that if you’re not dealing with the emotion of it all it’s you’re never going to get to the inflammation that is the resultant. And so, you know, I think an excellent point excellent point, thank you. Yeah. I mean, I think what’s really important you cannot just show up and say I’m in pain, what do I do without taking that step back and asking one of the most quintessential questions of functional medicine, which is when is the last time you felt good because a lot of us have that in our heads that never felt good since this happened, you know, I’m I’m I’ve healed I’ve recovered but when I tore my ACL that was a trauma in my life, that will always be with me. It will always be in me and within me and that is one of those critical moments where it was like, okay? Well, it has the ability to never feel. Well again, you know that could have sent me into a downward spiral into opioid misuse into chronically seeking being within the healthcare system or you can use it as a catalyst to say, how do I come out better? Err on the other side. How do I fall forward? You know, we all get setbacks. But how do we say? Well, I’m going to let this setback make me better on the on the in the future in the now I’m going to accept this now and become better with it. Yeah, totally that’s that’s a mindset and attitude that you’re right. It starts with the individual and in my example.

I have to say that you’re right. I mean it changed my life. You know, I kind of look back on it and it occurred at a time of my life where you know, I could have really gone down a couple of different paths. And you know, I think in a lot of ways my accident was a blessing because it got my attention and it it it allowed me to then focus on the path that I that I really needed to be on you know, and so that’s a hard thing to say because you know bad things happen and you know, you don’t want to just say that they’re always blessings. But you know, in this case I really do I’ve it changed my life and you know Very good way and I think that’s why you know as I moved on over the years and then when I was introduced to CBD, and I was also at a more point where I was even more open to getting better, right? And so I started looking at meditation. I started getting into other things and really working on some of the emotional things that you refer to right and so all of it at the end of the day. Yes, CBD played a major role but it was it was a lot of things happening in my experience that kind of led to this overall outcome.

Well, and I I think you know if we if we think of the advice of Eckhart Tolle who is just a brilliant thinker. He says look you can look at situations in your life and label them as good or bad. But that’s just your mind talking it. It’s not good or bad. It just is it just is and so I may look at that skiing accident. Aunt and go. Well, that was a really bad thing that happened to me. It’s not bad. That’s just the perception of it and I can allow that to stress me out. Like why me? Why did this happen to me? But as Eckhart Tolle says stress is nothing more than wanting the present moment to be something that it is not and if you’re constantly just wanting the present moment to be something that it is not you are going to live an absolutely miserable life. And I think that 2020 has been a banner year for wanting the present moment to be something that it is not so we all experience stress we all do but it’s what your it’s do. You let your mind just live in that stress dwell on that stress or do you just go hmm stress there. It was there it went. Oh it’s gone. You know, it’s one thing to be dress because you need to be you know, if your kid is about to run into oncoming traffic. It’s probably a good time to have some mild panic but if waking up in the morning stresses you out and if your drive to work stresses you out and if what you eat stresses you out and if you’re sitting on social media all day bickering with people who you will never change their minds and it’s stressing you out. What are you doing? Why are you living in this state? Eight of Perpetual stress which leads to Perpetual inflammation which leads to every disease on the planet.

So if using CBD is a way that you can calm and soothe yourself and it becomes a part of a self care practice amazing. If you live in a state where marijuana is legal and it helps to soothe and Kant and calm you down amazing. However, if You’re at the opposite end of the spectrum and you smoke a joint and all of a sudden you’re blood pressures off the off the charts. You’re dizzy. You’re queasy. It’s not for you, you know, just give it up. So do it with mindfulness and if it’s not treating you well, why are you mistreating yourself? Yeah.

No, I love it. That’s a great and I think that’s a great place to kind of begin wrapping things up. I wanted to ask you one thing. I love the Quote on your wall. I think I’m reading it as good things come to those who hustle. Yeah, you know the rest of that where that came from?

Well, this is a program that I run for entrepreneurs. And so we actually change our posters out. So we have a few of them we have love you mean it because I say that a lot and we also have show up add value no drama, which is the poster that hangs over me and this is a it’s a 90-day business hustle and it’s like, okay we’re going to Show up more in a do this for 90 days. We’re see where your business ends up on the opposite side of that. So that is a program that I run.

I love that quote because it’s the comes from President Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. He said good things come to those who wait, but only those things left by those who hustle. 

Oh, I love that great.  See you. Tell me the history of my own poster.

Great. That’s a good that’s a wonderful quote. So it was great meeting you Lindsay and I really appreciate your time and Hope to get to know you more as this industry continues to evolve and good luck and everything you’re doing.

I really appreciate you taking the time to join us today. Thank you so much for having me today and congratulations on your podcast. Thank you so much.

Have a great afternoon and take care. Bye bye.

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14. CBD for Seizures & Gut Health

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Today’s episode features Laura Logano who’s a registered dietitian and attended the Institute of functional medicine. She’s focused on nutrition and its overall impact on wellness and health involved in personal life coaching in order to help people factor in nutrition as well as other health and wellness techniques to achieve their maximum, you know, most beneficial life. She wrote a book called The CBD oil Miracle, which we’ll talk about and Sue is running something called the holistic cannabis Academy providing online education for folks that are wishing to learn more about cannabis and its healthy benefits. So hope you enjoy the show today. Thank you.

Hi, how are you? I’m good. How are you? Good.

Good afternoon.

Yeah, good afternoon. Where am I finding you today? 

I’m in my house in Hoboken, New Jersey. Okay. 

How about you I’m in my basement in Boulder, Colorado.

Okay. Nice. Yeah.

Well, thank you so much for joining to thank you excited about this conversation. Oh, this is one of my favorite conversations to have well the whole idea of factoring in diet into the conversation is what’s got me got me excited right? It’s CBD plays a role and I’m sure we’ll get into all of this but, you know, given your background as a registered dietitian and I think if I’m saying it right The Institute of Medicine certification on top of that right? 

So well, I don’t have the certification. I did all the coursework and I never I filed my case study and I never took the exam. I haven’t taken an exam since 1991. So I’m like, what do I need? I understand.

Yeah, I would stay away from that myself. Yeah anyway, so thank you so much for being here. I mean, it’s a the objective of what we’re trying to do on this. Program is to really educate and broaden the awareness of what CBD what cannabis can do for people in various different walks of life and different things that people are looking for and related in hopes of educating broadening the awareness and demystifying the whole thing by talking to people that know what they’re talking about like yourself. So that’s what that’s it. And you know, I’d love to just know a little bit about your background. Ground as we get started and then we can kind of go into more in-depth as we kind of see how things go.

Sure, so I have been a nutritionist for a long time. That’s what I studied in school. I became initially very interested in nutrition in my mother’s Kitchen in Brooklyn. They used to listen to a New York station and it was talk radio and it was talk radio that had all sorts of different people on and Adelle Davis was one of the was a guest often as well as Dr. Feingold been Feingold and if you’ve heard about the Feingold Diet that he came out with this many many years ago. He’s long since passed away about removing artificial ingredients and certain types of sugars and salicylates from the diet because he felt they contributed to hyperactivity. Well, he was way before his time. He got completely pooh-poohed and then of course several years ago, People were studying, you know, artificial ingredients and salicylates and found. Yes, it did contribute to hyperactivity and it’s now it’s sort of its a standard at least in my world in nutrition and functional medicine to remove artificial ingredients. And of course the question that I have to ask that I’m sure you would agree with is why do we even need artificial colors in our food? You know, why do we need artificial? Rivers when Nature provides all of these things already and you know, you see the big cereal manufacturers have taken out many of them have taken out food coloring out of their products. I mean, it’s taken a long time but nevertheless, of course that’s driven by you know that what the consumers are asking for so that being 

I think you’re being generous calling them food products.

Yeah, exactly. Right? It’s totally that. Absolutely true. But somehow you know that seem one of my girlfriend’s she was telling this funny story once how her mother would say, you know on Easter when they would hunting, you know for Easter eggs. She came from a big family and her mom would say wait  minute you have to have breakfast first. So my girlfriend said what a breakfast of sugar artificially flavored and colored stereo. The chocolate was a better choice. So, you know, we think about you know, what has happened to you. Now our food ways and of course in nutrition, we refer to that as that standard American diet better known as sad which is full of which is you know, which is full of processed foods, but I stayed true to nutrition. I mean after all these years it’s still my love. I always loved learning about nutrition and I really love using food as medicine and what brought me my journey along the way to cannabis really Lee was my daughter and my daughter who’s now 24 was my best teacher and she became my teacher of course as all our children do but hers was pretty powerful because she was having grand mal seizures and you know a lot of developmental issues. And so I used food and nutrition early on to really help her and that is what stopped her seizures, you know, so she was on a modified ketogenic food plan. And there were times that and in fact one of those times is right now where she doesn’t eat foods with salicylate. So, you know, thank you, you know, dr. Ben Franco, but you know, so it’s been but it changes all the time, you know, people think like once you get a food plan like that’s it for life. No, it does it does not only changes during the life cycle. It changes maybe a different season.

So what else is going on in your life? Certainly.

We all know now during the pandemic. That what we were eating when you were active and outside of your home should be different than what you’re eating inside of the home. But of course many of us reach for those those processed foods and that’s why you know, there’s been weight gain and more inflammatory issues during the pandemic but getting back to my daughter then she is of course what brought me to cannabis and hemp Drive CBD, you know, obviously I knew the story about excuse me, Charlotte Fiji who sadly has passed away and her great success in using hemp derived CBD products and you know, she had dravet’s syndrome which was much many many more seizures than what my daughter had and you know, I knew that CBD was great for quelling anxiety, but what I didn’t expect some of the other things that happen with my daughter, which namely had to do was her language ability and her And her processing so I think there’s I do think that CBD can be miraculous. I think the plant in and of itself is miraculous and it’s it’s I’m sure you would agree. It’s pretty devastating that this has been kept from us, you know for so many years. It should be in everybody’s toolbox, you know practitioners, but also, you know in your at-home toolbox for you know for your family.

Supply I couldn’t agree more and I think I think a big you know, I wonder what’s your opinion on this is you know, one of the things I’ve always hypothesized is that cannabis was always in our diets as humans in some way shape or form throughout the years and then it was, you know, all of a sudden kind of taken out of our diets intentionally for political reasons and and in our monopolistic capitalist society, you know i want to stress the monopolistic dimension of that because I’m a very much Pro capitalism, but Monopoly should not be allowed. Right and that’s what kind of happened but neither here nor there. The point I was making is that now a you know, it’s his not in the diets of most people right and we’re experiencing a lot more chemicals in our diets. We also had more organic diets through the through the years because it was you know food was organic you didn’t have To call it organic because it was totally right. And so nowadays you have a kind of a Confluence of both of those situations where people are not eating real food. And the excuse me, they’re missing the you know, the cannabinoids from their diet, which we now know, you know, at least we make cannabinoids. So therefore there’s a system to process them. So anyway, my question for you is what’s your reaction to that and am i beating around the right Bush there with that hypothesis?

Well, I think you know to answer and or build on, you know, your comment about organic diets. There’s no question about that. I mean I can remember even growing up when they’re certainly were a lot of processed foods available. But I think because I grew up in a household with immigrants, you know, they’re not they weren’t as quick to you know for the standard American diet. They were you know, everything was fresh and when I visit my Relatives in a very little tiny town in Italy called Loud Ito I mean, you know, you’re talking like a medieval town with 750 people where most of them are my cousin’s they don’t even they call organic biologic but they don’t really even talk about it because it’s like what you said, that’s what it already is, you know, that’s just what it is. They don’t have to like be so careful as to selecting things, but you’re absolutely right because we have all these if it’s like the cannabinoids and a lot of the you know, the organic products have been sort of pushed out of our diet. In favor of processed foods and you know some people suffer more than others. I mean, you know, we all know people are not all the same. No, we all know people who eat really badly, you know who make a lot of bad choices and there seemed really well, right and then we know people who you know seem to follow, you know, the rules and the guidelines and maybe that I don’t do as well but this all this all Goes back to genetics. We all have a genetic predisposition and some of us are able to detoxify better. So if we take something everybody can relate to this, let’s just take caffeine a psychoactive and some of us can really are our quick caffeine metabolizers, right so you can have a you can have a coffee at 11:55 and be asleep at midnight, but other people, you know if they have a coffee. He passed even noon. They’re going to have problems falling asleep because they’re they’re much slower caffeine metabolize and most people know this, you know, they’re there in touch with that even if you look at alcohol. People know that and I always like to point out that you know as a group as it as an ethnic group, you know, the Irish people think oh, you know, they’re you know, they drink too much. They actually I don’t know if they drink too much they don’t have a lot of alcohol dehydrogenase. So as a group as an ethnic group The Irish do not have the enzyme to break down alcohol the Germans have a lot of It so, you know, I think that that you know, of course we live in the United States where none of us very few of us are one ethnicity, you know where mutts so, you know, you never know. You never know even even though yes, my mother’s family is Italian. I am a very bad caffeine metabolizer. So, you know, There goes I didn’t get that chain. 

Yeah, I didn’t either but that’s a whole nother conversation with regards to the caffeine. So tell me. I guess I’m interested in a lot of different things in it as I was reading your background, but you do you do a lot of PLC or personal life coaching right talk to me about that. I’m always intrigued with she don’t provement.

So Jeff Bland coins, the turn personalized lifestyle medicine. So that’s really taking instead of giving somebody a medication. You know, how When people go to the doctor, they think they’ve scored if they get the little piece of paper right with the prescription on it and and that perspective right? And then what and then that prescription leads to another prescription because they have to mitigate the side effect of the prescription and before you know it you have three prescriptions. This is actually what happened to my daughter. So when my daughter was very young and you know, it’s when you have a child who’s having Users of who’s sick. It really doesn’t matter what your background is, you’re too freaked out and you want somebody else to take care of your child. And then when my daughter was on she was 4 she was on three medications and of course all of these medications or at least two of them were definitely meant for adults and nobody did any studies to determine what’s the effect of those three medications together, but things were not working out. You know, I wasn’t yes her seizures had stopped but She was nuts. I mean literally nuts. I couldn’t even leave the house with her and she has a twin brother and an older daughter and an older system. So we were it was the problem and I realized wait a minute. This is not good. I really have to take matters into my own hands. And so when you talk about, you know, personalized lifestyle medicine or anything to do with lifestyle our then personalizing that for the individual, you know, what is it that that person needs And obviously she need I needed to make sure that our seizures weren’t going to rear their ugly head when I took her off the medication, but that we were also going to see her personality. So it was like a big aha moment for me and looking at not only taking, you know, the artificial colors and all of that out of her diet which course you didn’t have at that time anyway but then what could I add so you know, so what could you add in? So it’s looking at, you know, not just the food people eat and maybe Elements which is you know, and hemp derive CBD in my book comes under supplement, even though I know the FDA is not really sure what’s happening with that. But to me, it’s really a nutraceutical and as you said food, but also looking at other, you know, life’s many many other lifestyle habits and interestingly enough, you know, so we’re talking about movement 

I don’t like to use the word exercise because it freaks people out a lot. You know, they don’t want to go The gym they don’t want to participate in team sports. So it could be any type of movement, you know movement breathing exercises tapping meditation yoga anything that’s meditative. So I know people think meditation you got to have that special pillow. Okay, knitting is meditative. Every religion has some kind of a bead like in Roman Catholicism is the rosary you saying that Rosarie. nd over again, it’s meditative but knitting, you know think crocheting anything. My daughter Isabella actually does needlepoint. And you know, I wish everybody could see it but it’s really beautiful. You know, she does it it’s not following the pattern but it’s very very repetitive and for her it’s very meditative and it’s very grounding and I think we’ve sort of lost those things, you know, we used to now. I don’t consider scrolling to be meditative that would be the opposite of meditative. Especially if you’re doing that noon scrolling, all of these things actually impact the endocannabinoid system because they’re now going to have like the same effect as as a hug, you know, which sadly we don’t have a lot of hugs right now during the pandemic where it works like as a psychoactive and and really can help to regulate that endocannabinoid system.

Interesting. So I guess the you’re saying there is your your toolkit is wide open, right? So whatever anybody is really looking for with regards to or actually even what they need. Basically after you talk to them you kind of think about it and talk to them to figure out what the right combination of everything might be for that individual.

Right and where they ready to start with, you know, if somebody is, you know eating fast food. Obviously I am not going to you know to to have them along with you, right? Yeah, you know, I knew you have to start people from where there were also some people are ready to go from 0 to 60, but most people are not and you have to sort of bring them in. So generally what I do is even things like cleaning products. They’re very toxic in a we always want to be working with lowering our toxic load and you know, we generally or the most part we can’t change the air we breathe. I mean we can be using essential oils dinner in our homes and in diffuser, but you know, you live in the house you live in you you’re not going to know not everybody is moving to the country or living in the woods so we can do little things and so most people are totally okay with changing their cleaning products for instance, which can be very toxic or making their own cleaning products and even changing personal. Ex, you know shampoos soaps. I mean so many of these things are very toxic and you know, I just send people over to ewg dot-org environmental working group where you can look at those ratings. You can put in your product name my wife my wife’s a big fan of that website. Oh, I love it. I love it and they also have information on The Dirty Dozen in the Clean 15 which has to do with produce. So, you know people are shocked to learn, you know, strawberries apples are always very high up. There is like the dirtiest fruits with the most pesticides so, you know rather than telling people you have to buy everything organic, which for some people can the prices can be to astronomical or they can’t find the products. So, you know, you just focus on on certain things, you know, you want to try to get as much Anna Products organic is possible because remember animals have fat and the toxins of stored in the fat. It’s very easy to find organic eggs, you know, a lot of you know, so you start with the you know with a few things at a time. Now if people want to do it they can also do some genetic testing to see you know, where where they fit in so yes, we most of us know about our ability to metabolize As caffeine and alcohol but a lot of other things we really we really don’t know now, I might be able to take a guess because you know just empirically but that can be helpful for people. 

Why remember what you know, I didn’t always have the best diet, you know, when I was growing up and even into my early adulthood, you know, I didn’t really value it. I didn’t pay attention to it. Really And I remember when I ended up getting together with my wife and then we went on to get married, but she she started persuading me with the organic diet by based on hey, you know, I bet you you’ll feel better. But I also bet you you’ll your medical bills to go down. Hmm like hmmm. Okay, and you know, he said you think about how many times you go to the physician for doctors, you know for colds and flus and Justjust other things other problems that I was having, you know through the times I was diagnosed with Meniere’s disease, which is a caffeine related illness. That’s why my caffeine story earlier. It’s caffeine and sugar really exacerbate that problem, you know, so I started to become aware of diet and you know, she’s been right, you know, I mean, I tell you what we spend a lot on food are by far. Our biggest family bill is on

our food, but we are, you know, God willing We’re all very very healthy. And you know, that’s you know, it’s you they’re ready says diet and exercise and exercise important as you say movement, but I find out, you know, even in times of lack of movement the diet Gets You Through. I mean you still you your immune response is is really really strengthened. So anyway, what is your reaction to that? 

Yeah. I mean diet what you eat is, you know. That’s what feeds your cells and diet is definitely more important than exercise. Yes. You have to move your body. I’m not saying it’s not important, but you can’t not eat well and this was the thing, especially if you’re not going to move right? I mean, yeah, do you remember remembering? You know, I think it was in the 80s when it was like the pig out workout, but people want didn’t do well, you know, you can’t eat really badly and think you’re going to make that up. You know by exercising like a like a lunatic that doesn’t work out that that does is injuries. And even if you try to eat well, you know, quote unquote whatever that may be at the time with the trends but low-fat, you know or high fat or whatever what you’re going through that process, even if you’re eating those Foods the right way as you said earlier, you’re going to get the toxins and therefore if you’re not doing detox, you’re you know, you’re going to end up getting sick. Absolutely. Yeah, and you know now especially with the pandemic you really want to be eating well and I think the tendency and we saw this happening a lot in the beginning, you know, people were going to like their childhood Comfort Foods whether they were cookies or chips or ice cream and now you’re in your house. So what happened a lot of people gained weight, you know, remember there was a Freshman 15, then we have the you know, the covid 15, so You know now with being people being able, you know wanting to fit back in their clothes because everybody’s been wearing athleisure wear which you know, that that is just a recipe, you know for disaster where you’re not, you know, you’re not getting any feedback from your from your clothing but you know, and we really have to think of what we’re eating in terms of health and wellness and eating a food plan that is anti-inflammatory. So, you know, it’s that It’s not going to be a food plan that has added sugar and it may not depending on how Stone she wore. It may not even it’s not going to be usually not going to have gluten and for some people it’s not going to have grains but it really depends on the person and I know there could be people listening who freaked out because when I say this because then they’re thinking what do I eat? And that’s where people really have to learn recently. I decided that everybody in my family that we were going to be vegan Four weeks which we are not normally vegan. And so it really gave me the chance to up my auntie for cooking vegetables and really everything was fabulous. Nobody missed any of the animal products, but it’s a matter of getting into the kitchen and I and that’s of course another thing that happened when we had all these processed foods. I mean where you live where I live, we don’t never have to cook you can go Go out and get prepared food anywhere, you can get food delivered. I mean, there are people here where I live.  don’t know that they’ve used their ovens, right, you know, you know, you can do that and and I should say sometimes you can get really good food doing that. I mean are you fine but where you lived, you know, we can find some good spots here. Well, you you live in you know, the natural food bauble of the United States so lucky here. Yeah, you know you have access to all those to everything and I do too but not in the same way. You’re in a much smaller much smaller Community, but you know people have a hard time making those kind of decisions you can walk out of your house and anywhere you walk it, you know in urban areas even in non-urban areas, you know. All the gas stations have the convenience stores what’s there to have that’s all processed food. Hmm. 

So it is well, what about you know, our sponsor is a company called Magic Immune A Tea which is a functional mushroom company and they feature the reishi mushroom chaga lion’s mane and cordyceps and as well as I think 12 other adaptogens as they call them. You know just would love to get your your feedback on those types of things especially functional mushrooms is very intriguing and mushrooms in general are getting a lot of attention and for their a lot of the psychoactive ones are being utilized now for PTSD and depression and all kinds of things which is fantastic. But even just from a General Nutrition standpoint mushrooms, like Reishi and chaga, lion’s mane, cordyceps. What do you think about those? 

Yeah, I love mushrooms. I think they are. There’s such a great product. Excuse me, and they’re really great when I love them when they’re actually mixed with CBD and it’s funny that you should bring this up because right now I’ve been making a lot of CBD drinks lately and I made a coconut milk with a with a mushroom powder and CBD and Some and some turmeric and I think I made another one with cacao was mushrooms and they’re really really good. I think when people hear a lot of people here mushrooms, they freaked out they just think oh, they’re they’re not going to taste good but the taste is negligible, especially since I’m mixing it, you know with with other products and they really get that the immune benefit is spectacular and you’re talking about adaptogens. You know, what isn’t Good about regulating, you know homeostasis, right you’re talking about the endocannabinoid system where it’s balancing, you know, your your, you know, your endocannabinoid system in your body, which is all about balance and homeostasis.

I mean, it’s literally the basis of Cell Biology. So I think we’re going to see a lot more. I mean there are mushrooms of course are out there and available. I obviously in Boulder, I’m sure every little place you go into they It that that serves coffee is also serving a drink, you know with mushrooms and we have so we have that here to some of it. So it’s getting you know wide more widespread acceptance. You know, for sure. 

Yeah. It’s interesting you bring up taste because that was one of the things I was you know hypothesizing is it wouldn’t taste good A lot of the mushroom coffees or things like that that I’ve tried have not been real tasty. But the magic Immune A Tea  was was fantastic and I think it’s because as they’ve Blended in these other adaptogens, you know, like turmeric and ginger and black pepper and chillies and pomegranate a you know, things that the really bring flavor to to mushrooms.

Don’t necessarily taste bad. They just generally are dull and their flavor, right? And then you put all this flavor on top of it with other adaptogens. You can really create some some nice things. So I’m optimistic about that that category. I think it’s like it’s got a lot of potential. Yeah. I also think Food, you know manufacturers and I’m putting you know your sponsor into that category. They’ve gotten a lot more creative about those things. I mean, I couldn’t remember the old school, you know, quote unquote health food store. It had a certain scent to it. Not good. It wasn’t good and and you know, the food was a little bit too Barky, you know, you know it gave new meaning to tree hugger. So but we’ve come a very very long way, you know, even if If I look at gluten-free, there were things that years ago were just unpalatable. It just would have been better to eliminate at that point eliminate gluten and not try to provide, you know substitutes. But now that is not the case. There are you know, there are things that you don’t even know that there’s a you know that it’s a substituted you people have gotten much much more sophisticated and you know,

We eat a lot of cauliflower crust pizza here because both my son and I are gluten free.  When it’s you know Pizza is the hardest thing to give up for me and that scenario, but it’s have you done it. Have you done any cauliflower fried rice? Oh,yeah, my wife. I’m a very blessed man. She’s a great cook and she’s on Trend nutritionally. I you guys would get along fantastically and she but she’s she’s a wonderful cook to the point where it’s a curse like we you know, she’s like, oh my God, I can’t we can’t get anything as good as I can prepare it I’ve I’m tired of cooking, but I’ll cook again. Right and so anyway, she gets that burden on herself quite a bit, but it’s kind of like I said, I always say the curse of being a great cook as well as a knowledgeable person about nutrition, right it comes down to then you end up doing it all the time. It’s true.

Yeah, do you cook I do I do cook any know it’s funny. There are plenty of dietitians and nutritionists who don’t cook. Look, but you know my Not only was my love of nutrition born from those radio shows that I heard but you know I lived in what would be a very I guess traditional home I grew up in Brooklyn and it was a three Family House a very big house my parents lived on the first floor. My Italian grandparents lived on the second floor. And when I was 16, I moved to the top floor. So, you know, and you can imagine both my grandmother and my mother were Spectacular Cooks, so the kitchen was a big place to stay and of course, you know in those kind of kitchens food is love and I can remember going to people’s houses and if they didn’t offer me food, I was like not even friends with those people. I didn’t even understand it but it was you know, so that was a that was also a big thing. So there was there was a lot of cooking and a lot of activity going on around the dinner table. I mean at that time that was not at the time When you know the father, you know, my father and most dad’s I knew were home for dinner. They weren’t working. You know, right 60 70 80 hours a week. They’re working 40 hours a week. So dinner was you know an activity and you know that dinner was being cooked and you sat around and ate dinner and there was discussion and you know, I think that I know intellectually people know that that is a really important time whether it’s breakfast in the morning or dinner in the evening or both but you know, you have to make a commitment to that but I think interestingly that is happening now during covid because what what else are you going to do? You’re there. You know what remember you know the whole sourdough thing, you know. And I perfected you know, my vegetable cooking people that you know, now people are taking the time your home that you’re not rushing as much she 

my wife made a gluten-free pizza crust last night just fantastic, but it was a disaster in terms of how much difficulty had put her through to get to that point. Right? So it’s like it was it was interesting dinner, but it was so good. It was so fantastic, but we had time to do that because covid right? You’re always at home. What else you going to do well tell you what tell us about your book The CBD oil Miracle, like assuming that has dead came out of your experience with your daughter.

But well, yeah, they publisher st. Martin’s press approached me to write the book and it’s the first part of the book is really lays the groundwork about the endocannabinoid system about the cannabis plant and one of the big things that I like to talk about is the word psychoactivity that it’s not a bad thing. And CBD would not work for anxiety if it weren’t psychoactive, I think unfortunately a lot of the CBD hemp manufacturers Market their products by saying it’s not psychoactive because they want to separate it from THC as if THC is a bad thing and THC is not a bad thing. I don’t believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are many people who would who benefit from THC. So even Though pain is one of the things that people use tempter I’ve CBD for it can also be used if you have really severe pain you’re going to need the THC and then so I talked about that a lot And then in the second part of the book, there’s different conditions and not and I indicate whether or not the condition where the CBD might be appropriate for the condition or not because sometimes it’s not or if maybe you have to look int you know. medical marijuana, but maybe CBDs and enough so It’s an overview. I mean it’s it’s it’s a you know, it’s a consumer-oriented book because you know first and foremost, you know, I see myself as an educator and Communicator that that’s even how my program started, you know, the holistic cannabis Academy, which is at holistic It was really about you know, I learned all these things from my daughter and I had to learn it on my own. I didn’t have anybody there was no practitioner. I could go to all right. Nowhere to go. So I had it and I realized well, nobody knows anything. So maybe this is a good opportunity then, you know to be able to teach people but for me it was about what you and I were talking about earlier. I don’t want people just to take you know, that the magic pill or whatever I want. They have to change their other lifestyle behaviors, especially what they’re eating and you know, there’s all the you know, as we were saying, you know, you’re talking about meditation and Tapping, you know, a lot of people don’t know what tapping is, but you can download a tapping app. The one I used is called. I think it’s called the tapping solution and tapping really changes your breath.

And when you change your breath, you’re you’re changing everything you are then impacting your endocannabinoid system because most people are breathing up here. They’re breathing too high and you know that it’s there to shine. And most of us do that, you know, and then you can tap or do some knitting or some other meditative activity and that will really help, you know, you’re breathing so, you know integrating breathing with nutrition and and cannabis and you know mushrooms and you know yoga there’s so many different things all of the that is personalized lifestyle medicine.

I love it. I love it. So what is the is that is all of this underpinning your holistic cannabis Academy then in terms of what you’re doing online with education.

Yes. So there’s 31 modules and you know, there’s a lot of you got to lay the groundwork because people don’t know what the endocannabinoid system is. They may not understand the plant. But so then it also talks about integrating cannabis with other. East you know, whether it’s with as I said, you know nutrition meditation breathwork. Yoga. You just going to get you’re going to get better results when you do that. So it’s like if you think about somebody who has diabetes and you and I both know people like this. I’m sure and you know, they just they eat whatever they want and then they take more insulin that’s not really the idea and there’s going to be a sequel a negative sequel a On the road, you know, he can’t be robbing from Peter to pay Paul. You really have to make this a you know, holistic, you know Venture. What do you know one of the things I just perplexes me is people don’t want to believe in my experience and I’m you know, I say most most people, you know, certainly some do but most people don’t want to Take the responsibility for for knowing that their diet choices ours is our are as important as they are.

You know what I mean? Like, I don’t know. I just seems it seems so obvious to you and I were talking about this but you know my experience I talked to folks and even in my own family and you know, you talk about organic food choices and people almost feel like you’re you know, you’re being an elitist or something and it’s like I’m not that’s not the point. The point is like Is the right food for your body like it’s and I don’t know if people most people just don’t want to have that conversation. 

Yes, it’s I will never be out of business. It is ramp that is a problem. And a lot of people don’t take action until something bad happens happens to them. Right and then and then maybe maybe they take action or maybe not I don’t know. I think part of that is one I think I think it’s because the processed foods are plentiful the plentiful and everywhere. You know, as I said you go to a gas station a if they’re approved right the must be say, yeah, I mean they are everywhere they’re easy to access. They’re easy to eat. They’re portable so that you know, they’re tasty because once you know, you have that Sugar craving they’re going to be tasty so they check all those bounces. The other thing that I think is a big part of it. Is that our agency. For our own self care was taken away from us. So, you know. I don’t know how many years ago. I think fewer than a hundred. It’s not I mean, I know that seems like a long time but maybe 80 years ago. We had Agency for food choice and not only for food choice, but also self care that you weren’t going to the doctor for a prescription, but these medications didn’t exist. So you had a home Pharmacy and that Home Pharmacy. 80 years ago and cannabis in it and it had a lot of herbs in it and and people knew, you know what to you know, what to put together. If you go to any I mean these people exist now if you find any non as or any, you know, especially in Chinese medicine, there’s plenty of things that look like sticks and leaves they are it’s alive and well, you know,

Traditional Chinese medicine, you know ancient medicines Indian medicine. These are these exist but that was taken away from us and sort of replaced by you know, modern medicine that you had to go to somebody so people have lost their own agency to say wait a minute. I can fix myself. I mean I think of how people run to the doctor for any little acre pain and they Usually don’t need to go I mean a fever is your body’s way of healing and saying something is wrong. So what do you do? You stay home? You drink a lot of water, you know your rest you definitely have some chicken soup that’s been cooked with bones, you know some bone broth and and you get better. You know, we’re not we’re not talking about, you know things will you do have to you know, go to the doctor because it’s a life-or-death situation, you know, if you have a broken bone, obviously, yes, but I think that that has been taken away from us. So I do think it’s a you know, a combination of things. I mean I can tell you from my own experience with my daughter, even though here I way I felt like Dorothy, you know, I had those red shoes. But I didn’t know what the power of them was and I so I wanted somebody else to take care of her because I didn’t know you know, I wasn’t recognizing my own ability not just as a dietitian, who was then at that point? I wasn’t trained in functional medicine, but also was the mother, you know, if you if I’m sure you know, a lot of the stories about moms with children on the Spectrum or children was Very devastating health issues most of the time it’s the mother who heals the child because these are these women are powerful. 

I’m not a lot met a lot of them when I was at Charlotte’s Web CBD there was a lot of amazing amazing women and these women have they so they have they have agency, you know, they have taken control and said, you know what I can’t rely on that on the current system. Yeah So, how is your daughter today? What? What is she what is her life? 

Like she’s great. So her name is her name is Isabella and she acted her middle name is actually my mother’s maiden name was just spot-on say which that’s not Esperanza is just spot-on. So which means hope in Italian so quite coincidentally, we named her beautiful hope and she’s doing very well, you know, she’s aged out of the educational system, which is a scary thing and for any of your Listeners who have children with special needs, you know that in Most states, they get Services up until they’re 21, and then after 21, it’s like falling off a cliff then they have to qualify for services and it’s very it’s very complicated how they get the services but nevertheless she is she was going to a program two days a week because how else would she need? People and now of course, that’s all on Zoom, which I have to say. She doesn’t always want to do it but that when she’s there she likes it. She works at a supermarket two mornings a week and and before she was working for days a week, but it just seemed like we didn’t want her to be there as much during the pandemic. She does horseback riding and Equine Therapy and she and the horseback riding is fantastic. Those are Majestic animals, so it’s amazing and you know, I didn’t know about Equine Therapy therapy, but you know horses sense things right away and they sense it and then it’s done. They don’t linger like humans do so talk talk therapy wasn’t really going to work for her it without having the horse there and it’s amazing. You know, I have participated and I have to tell you if anybody has the opportunity. To experience that or to watch that in action. It’s it’s pretty phenomenal. So she’s doing great. She and then she has a couple of other groups that she participates with online. I mean, she tells me almost every day. I want this covid to be over and I said, yes well, so do I did Well, that’s great. I’m glad to hear there’s some there’s a lot of positive and positivity and hope they’re so that’s great and beautiful. Hope that as you said, right? Yeah, that’s wonderful.

Well Laura, thank you. I think I think that’s about as much time as we have today. So thank you so much. It was really a pleasure talking to you and I couldn’t be of more like mind with you in a lot of ways with regards to what you’re talking about what you’re trying to help bring forward.

So let’s definitely stay in touch. I would love to Again, continue the conversation. 

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. Okay.

We’ll have a great afternoon. Thank you. You too.

Bye. Bye. Bye.

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13. Cannabis for Heart Health

Cannabis for Heart Health: Welcome to the show. Thank you for listening. Today’s episode is always is brought to you by Magic Immune A Tea available at What could be more important in today’s world and having a strong immune system probably nothing but how do you do that diet exercise no kidding, but what I’ve recently started doing is drinking Magic Immune A Tea number one tastes great and it’s loaded with healthy nutrients called adaptogens including four essential mushrooms. Reishi, lion’s mane, chaga and cordyceps. No, not the magic kind You guys. come on Reishi, lion’s mane, chaga and cordyceps are great for you highly nutritious and very Adept at boosting your immune system. So give Magic Immune A Tea a try a

Today’s guest is dr. Joseph Rosado MD from Florida, and he’s focused on heart health, and he’s recently written a book called hope and healing. So hope you enjoy the show.

With nutrition degree and then I went to medical school and then after medical school, I went to I went ahead and got an MBA in Healthcare Management. So in some way shape or form I’ve been involved in medicine since the age of 16. Great and you if I read correctly as well, you have some Chiropractic in your background as well to write. I went to chiropractic school after being a cath lab technician and before going to medical school.

Yeah, so I’m always interested in the combinations of those things because it’s a holistic approach that I’m sure you bring forward. What was what got you into looking at cannabis as part of the solutions and that you’re bringing your patients

when I was in medical school Believe It or Not. Of course, I went to medical school outside of the United States. I briefly learned about the endocannabinoid system. And it was a very small paragraph and then immediately they went into all the whole toxicology and how bad can it this was when I got home. I pulled out my Goodman and Gilman which is really the pharmacological Bible and read up on Cannabis sativa. I put it in my mental Rolodex to remind me, you know that at some future point that it may serve a purpose as medicine.

And then in 2010 one of my best friends in Arizona reached out to me and asked me to be the medical director for his dispensary because it’s the law had just passed in Arizona and a medical doctor had to be the medical director for the dispensary or naturopath in Arizona because that’s our paths have A certain levels of Freedom there and and I was all set to go and get started but his wife stopped the project because our kids at that time were teenagers his son is a is a week older than my twin daughters and you know in her mind it was like well, you know, we’re telling our kids to abstain. But yeah, we’re going to get involved in the medical cannabis industry. And so I called her up and I’m like look, you know, this isn’t Joe and Don selling weed on the street corner, you know, this is Dr. Dirt, and dr. Asado but you know it ended at that point and then four years later in the State of Florida where I live in practice. I saw John Morgan advertising or the campaign amendment to so I sent them an email and said I’m in position. I’m an advocate. How do I get involved and 24 hours later? I was speaking with campaign manager and a week later on the I was on the bureau speakers and

We just went off to the races I participated in a lot of dog and pony shows explaining the use of medical cannabis and the decriminalization and using it for medical purposes Etc. 2014 in November. We failed so we went back to the drawing board and in November 2016 it passed but by the time it passed we had laws on the books already for Senate Bill 1030, which is the Compassionate Care Act which allowed for high CBD to be recommended to patients And in that which was in the books June of 2014 and then in June of 2016, they added the right to try act. So in August, I was the first in the greater Central Florida area to recommend a high CBD low THC product to a 35 year old female at that time with brain tumor and then three months later. I was the first in the State of Florida to recommend whole medical cannabis and one-to-one CBD THC ratio to a in year old that had a stage for head and neck tumor and I was on the news. I was on TV I was in the newspaper or the radio and that like practice booms and from that point forward. I wean myself off of primary care and got involved solely in medical cannabis practice.

Wow, congratulations. It’s it’s inspiring to hear. Are you maybe tell us give me an our listeners an idea of some of the stories that you’ve seen that you’ve been involved with? I think really this is what one of the goals of the what I’m trying to do here is to really educate and share stories and open minds and you know, I think the stories are often the best way to do that and if you don’t mind maybe just give us an example or two.

Of some of the first things that come to mind with regards to the people that you’ve been able to have success with. Well, certainly that young men 15 year old when he came to me he was on a morphine pump. He was already in hospice. He’d been to st. Jude’s twice maybe three times, but I know for sure twice and he had been a part of a clinical trial there and when he went the you know the second or third time, they pretty much told the parents. Look, we’ve got nothing more for your son. So this is pretty much it. So when they return to Florida they immediately put he was in hospice. And so he was on Hospice Care on a morphine pump getting 16 milligrams of morphine infused into his frail little body.

Plus he had the capability of doing using it on demand getting an additional eight milligram bolus if the pain was so bad. He had a hospital bed in his bedroom and all that. I’ll did was lay in this hospital bed drooling and looking at his crotch because you know 16 milligrams of morphine and somebody that weighs less than hundred pounds soaking wet is an atrocity. And so when Mom agreed to you know start this whole process and we got them on the Cannabis within one month. We reduced the amount of morphine that he was getting from 16 milligrams to 8 milligrams. So we literally Cut it in half. He was now verbal he was engaging with the family. He was living in a sitting in the living room with his mom stepped at his brother and his sister. He was the best man at his brother’s wedding. He danced with his sister at his brother’s wedding, you know, this is stuff and no though. He did pass away in February the following year what that entire family will take to their grave. Is the fact that from November until February they had their little brother back, you know, he was out and about and doing what he is supposed to be doing as a 15 year old kid, right that’s amazing. It’s such a good good story, you know, a lot of people especially with cancer, you know, that’s it’s not always, you know, America miraculous cure, you know that it being can abbess or CPD, you know, you see but you often see a lot where the stories are very similar to where the the time that you did have was maximized and therefore, you know Priceless in terms of what the CBD or the canvas might do for cancer and that sort of situation. I think one of the things that I when I read about you before this is one of the topics I think I saw you talking about it somewhere else or to conference. Perhaps was CBD and heart health or cannabis and heart. Yes, that was very controversial. Oh, yeah, so tell me about that. Oh, yeah. Well because cannabis we’ve gotten the corner on pain chronic pain.

The number one reason patients come to our to our office and pretty much nationally from what I hear from. My colleagues is chronic non-malignant pain or chronic malignant pain pain associated with cancer pain associated with osteoarthritis rheumatoid arthritis lupus It’s fibromyalgia, etc. Etc. You know we see that all day long but to go outside of the box and discuss about a condition that is a condition that has been cornered by the cardiologist and the internist where this is my domain and if anything happens with the heart, you either need medications or you need procedures like an angioplasty or valuable classy or anything like that and if that doesn’t Of the you need surgery, you know, it’s been cornered by that time the market and then for me to come around and say well, you know, what? Why don’t we discuss about the endocannabinoid system and the heart and how there are receptors in the heart and it was like, wow what I’m pissed off a few people.

Well, then, you know, it’s not always bad always certainly was not it was not bad reaction. Right. So what tell us about that give us a little bit more about how that’s working, you know with CBD and there’s that receptors in the heart or forgive me if it’s cannabis are you know, either way I kind of uses the to interchangeably since CBD is cannabis exactly. Thank you very much.

I appreciate you saying that just obviously the non-intoxicating form. But anyway, tell us about cannabis and heart health and in terms of how it works.

Well, there are receptors in the hard way. Our CB1 and CB2 receptors found in the heart and it you know in animal studies they found that for example, once someone uses cannabis, especially in the inhalation form. It works very intimately with the heart because what happens is they get what’s called a like a reflex, tachycardia the heart rate increases and then but at the same time the blood pressure drops because of the relaxation that it occurs, but also it has a basil Dilation component it opens up the blood vessels. Therefore if my opening up the blood vessels, it lowers the blood pressure. So now you’ve got this opposing reaction going on heart rate increases blood pressure decreases and for the naive patient that uses, you know medical cannabis when they do when they do that they feel that sensation and if it’s too high or too potent of a chemo bar too high amount of THC they freaked out and that’s

Where they go into that Greening outside of things where they become paranoid to get the palpitations their mouth gets dry. They begin to hallucinate they become you know, their pupils dilate and and of dialing 911 when all in reality they need to do is take some additional CBD which would block The partially blocked that CB1 receptor and the patient would now no longer have the effect of the TAC the adverse. Of the THC but the benefit of the THC so that’s the first thing that happens, you know in that inhalation process, but as far as the inflammation and the antioxidant components of the biggest problem with disease in our bodies is inflammation and inflammatory process you have inflammation in the joint. It’s arthritis if you have inflammation in the heart, then you’ve got some type of cardiac. Problem cardiac issue and the more information you have the possibility of having enough structure and inclusion in the blood vessels. Then that is going to cause a stress oxidation is going to stress out the system. Well Studies have shown that by incorporating cannabis in the form of CBD THC as well as all the other quite Okinawa noise. It supports that oxidative stress. And what oxidative stress is Imagine. Rust on your vehicle or rust on anything that’s metal. This oxidative stress is rust on your blood vessels on your tissues and by incorporating this cannabis into your body it revert it stops that rusting process but can also reverse it. And that’s the beauty of it.

Great. Do you work with patients today on these on these things with regards to heart health?

Oh, I work with yeah. I mean, we you know since 2016 to present we’ve managed a little over 4,000 patients in you know over those four years and the important thing to understand is that it’s a multifactorial situation go I do not immediately take their blood pressure. Way or their cholesterol medication way or anything like that. We work in conjunction, but you know as I mentioned because of the inflammation the anti inflammatory processes the Cannabis it helps to reduce triglycerides and help reduce bad cholesterol in normalizes blood sugar. It doesn’t make people as insulin resistant.

So now we’re reversing metabolic syndromes. You know reducing blood pressure reducing the amount of insulin. They having to take reducing the amount of oral anti-diabetic agents that they have to take and so it’s not uncommon for me every six and a half months when I have to by state law see a patient that I asked them what has changed since the last time I saw you, you know, are you still on the same medications? What have you stopped using? What are you now using and invariably they will go through a list of three. Medications that they are no longer taking from anti-anxiety anti-depression all the way to blood pressure medication cholesterol medication and diabetes medications and a few of them have told me you know, that their primary care physicians have wean them off of their blood pressure medication because the blood pressures were so low and the study was done just with CBD on individuals that were not hypertensive did not have a history. If high blood pressure, they gave them 600 milligrams of CBD and they found that it drops their blood pressure by 5 to 10 millimeters of mercury, both systolic and diastolic top and bottom numbers.

And these are people that are not pathological imagine the effect on people that are pathological that have an actual disease and so you know that’s rewarding to do that in conjunction with normalizing blood pressures and blood sugar’s were also Them lose weight because you know, you’ve got a one of the final cannabinoids th CV that works on the GPR 55 receptor that helps lower body weight and losing that Central adiposity or that Central fat reduces, you know, help them regain their health their energy. Now, they’re active they’re able to exercise their riding their bicycles their swimming and being that I’m in Florida, you know, it’s there’s no winner here. There’s no reason why people can’t Bo and in the summertime when it’s you know, a hundred degrees with a hundred percent humidity you know, you could always be doing something or wait for the sun to come down a little bit and then go on walk or run or ride your bike or so, there’s different activities that lend themselves to supporting what I’m doing with the kiddos right now great.

Thanks for that. That’s very enlightening. Tell us about your book.

I think you’ve got a book called hope and healing. Is that right? Yes, I do. This is it is this isn’t live. I mean, this is a video. This is audio, right? Cuz I’m gonna Flash the hook. Now we have both you can yeah, you can Flash it. That’s cool.

Alright, so that’s the book hoping healing the case for cannabis written by me it with the forward written by the gentleman that names the first and the cannabinoid Professor New York anoosh he named an end of my in 1992 the shulam discovered it and Professor a new name. A bit and we and I met two years ago at an event in Columbia and it was interesting because it’s one of those serendipitous stories where you’re standing in line getting ready to be interviewed and I hear this gentleman ahead of me that got it at speaking English but has a very strong accent and they’re going to interview him the person that was interviewing him did not speak any English they were going to bring in a translator. nice, you know I went to the guy that was putting on the event and said look, let me translate for him because the translator you bring to him translating English to Spanish or Spanish to English or English to Spanish is one thing translating medical terminology is a completely different animal talking about cannabis is even even if that’s a unicorn so forget it. So he’s no doctor. I don’t feel comfortable having you, you know translate. It’s like look, don’t worry about it. I’m fluent. It’s okay. So the gentleman here’s this Exchange. Jenny turns around and says thank you. And as he says thank you and I look at its face and then I see his name his badge and like oh my God proposed to her news is like, you know that meeting Jesus Christ, you know for a Christian they oh my God, it’s you so there. was so cool, you know, give him a big hug. Thank them for everything that he had done etcetera requested a photo immediately. So no one could you know, so I wouldn’t forget later on. On and then I did the translation. We hit it off. We you know exchange stories. I asked him some questions Eve was very very just giving with his knowledge and his just his heart and we had dinner and then by the end of the weekend, I had posted a bunch of pictures all over social media and the editor of my other guy that was helping me edit my book and publish. It said, you know, you need someone to write your forward. Why don’t you talk to him? You saying you need a beta reader? Why don’t you ask him and like well the worst that can happen is him saying? No, so I approached them first to be the beta reader. So I went up to him and I said, you know, I read in the book. This is the title, you know, I’m at the process to be read and just get some feedback. Would you be open to reading the book and just give me some feedback and he’s like sure absolutely email it to me and I’ll get it to you as soon as I can the great. Thanks. I appreciate it.

And as I was walking away that that little you know Nat in your the back of your head and your brain is like Pascal like ask them and so I stopped and I turned around said can I ask you one more thing? I’m sure it said if you like what you read and you feel comfortable. Would you be open to writing the forward to the book? And then there was a pause this very polite pause and I’m thinking I’m screwed. It’s over. I open fended him that he doesn’t want to read it that you have in your head. You know, like, oh my God, I just screwed it up. Now. He’s not even going to want to pay to read it. I should have not done. This is your second guessing yourself. And your we are Our Own Worst Enemy Beyond down probably seemed like it took minutes, right? So yeah in my mind. Ours is like. Yeah, I’m sweating and I don’t know perspiring. Like I’m feeling sweat all over my body and nosing he looks at me and smiles said yeah. All right, you’re forward. Thank you. Very cool. So that was that was that was my encounter with him and read. You know, I sent him the book that evening. He read it on his flight from Colombia to Israel and within a week he had sent some, you know comments some pointers. And a week and a half later. He sent me the forward to the book. We added it to the book and we were all set to move forward and then the Law changes in Florida because originally although amendment to spoke about using flour and inhaling and smoking flower Senate Bill a day, which was the law that we were under did not allow any smoking.

So in March of 2019 they approved for the smokable to be available. So my book was all set to be like printed ready to roll and the law changed and I pulled everything back nothing. No, I want my book to be as actual. You know, it’s true the time as possible. So I added like a few pages to that one chapter and eliminated every part of the book that said smoking is not allowed smoking is illegal in the state of I removed all of that and then we submitted it and it was ready on guess what date for 2020 19 no coincidence there. There you go.

That’s great story. What what’s the book? What’s the focus of the book? I mean I can get an idea from the broad title. But what’s inside there what you will first half of the book is like an A to Z for the novice as well as someone that’s wanting to get into it.

It get into medical cannabis or just find out about cannabis because when I got involved with cannabis, they weren’t that many books. There were a lot of articles but there wasn’t anything that I could really like sink my teeth into it and get some information that wasn’t written by an advocate or wasn’t promoting recreational use, you know, this was more, you know, something medical and I wanted something medical because I’m a physician.

I think that’s what I do, you know since the age of 16, I’ve been in some form of healthcare and prior to the age of 16 when I was a child. I’ll I would go to the hospital with my dad who was an x-ray technician at Sloan-Kettering Memorial Hospital in New York and hang out with him and talk to the different doctors in the different, you know Healthcare professionals. So I’ve been in some aspect of some area of medicine since I was an infant so it brought to light that something medical needed to be available. So the first part, you know, I get into the history, you know, when was originally discovered the law of the prejudices the bigotry the biases and then moving on into the endocannabinoid system in The receptors and the different kind of cannabinoids and how they work in the body and for the different conditions that they were touch a little bit on dosing on mixing different modes of administration to make sure you get the best bang for your buck and then the latter part of the book are is focused on the medical. Conditions that are approved in the State of Florida. So I go into discussing how cannabis works for cancer epilepsy seizures. Glaucoma. HIV/AIDS Crohn’s disease chronic muscle spasms. Multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s Disease or ALS PTSD Parkinson’s as well as chronic pain, which although chronic pain is not one of the qualifying conditions in the State of Florida. We can maneuver and have the page. To qualify with that diagnosis. So it helps to be able to do stuff like that. So doubt the second part of the book is more stories like you like you mentioned earlier because people gather and learn more from sharing testimonials sharing stories. So I speak of different people that have either worked with or help or people that were in the Limelight like, you know, Charlotte Figi, Charlotte’s Web her situation with dravet’s and her story of seizures and how her family evolved and even Sanjay Gupta.

Dr. Gupta became a Believer from being someone that was no absolutely not this is there’s no benefits this to you know, creating five different document documentaries on cannabis called weed and becoming a huge proponent and advocate for it. So, you know, that’s It says something about the plant and how it unites people and how it makes people kind of drop their belief system and open their mind to something greater. So given all that I couldn’t agree with you more, but why isn’t the endocannabinoid system taught in medical schools?

Oh man, how much time do we have? No? No, you know what? I mean? I I don’t know I have my beliefs but I’m I’m looking for some logic like is there any logic to this? Like why do there is no logic? It’s improper see and it’s greed has a physician as a former medical student and as a former primary care physician We were wined and dined not and my time and my arrow we did not get Kickbacks. We were not taken to Hawaii on a cruise. We did not spend, you know endless summers in Europe or the French Riviera that that’s not my store that that didn’t happen for me what did happen for me? However it was When I was in training as well as in medical school, we would get books given to us or we would get supplies given to us when we would get you know different areas and whenever they gave it to us inside the book or the equipment or whatever. It had the name of the company that was providing that to me. So there’s this. alt program action going on where I’m going to give you something but you’re constantly reminded.

Okay, this came from this person who is a representative of XYZ medication and when it comes to clinical trials and research being a schedule 1 drug, we can’t use cannabis right now to do clinical trials clinical research. We could use CBD but not the whole plant with some THC. So that blocks The ability to do clinical trials clinical research and you know growing up in New York City in the Bronx, you know money talks bullshit walks, and that’s the reality. You know, these guys are coming in with Deep Pockets bringing in x y z, you know x amount of money x amount of dollars for them to study their medications and bring out the next great best thing. And so it’s a political component. It’s a greed based component. There’s a lot of things and And really, how do you how do you monetize or how can you monetize a plant even though there’s a patent on it a federal US patent on it yet.

I think about it Michael. Of course, there is by none other than the u.s. Department of Health exactly for things other than pain or neurological issues for neurological diseases. But yet, you know, that is not you know, it’s a schedule 1 drug nobody. Your value high level of addiction, but you have a patent on its use the ones that patent expires and were able to monetize it now, you’re going to sell it to the highest bidder and then make medications that are in line with synthetics like Marinol order in a banal or Sesame net or worse yet. Create a CPD isolate and charge $32,000 a year for a child that has driven. As or Lennox guest do you know I had a family of four. I’m sorry family of three chip three children, every one of those children was born with that genetic malformation every one of them has dravet’s now imagine 32k her child you looking at $100,000 how many people make $100,000 a year to be able to just take all that money and give it to the pharmacy because did not going to eat then I going to pay for their car then I got to pay for the rent because it’s $32,000 per child to treat them with this medication that CBD isolate that sold over the counter. Right, it’s criminal. Anyway.

Yeah, I did we will just stop with that part of the conversation is I could go all day with you on that and we’re trying to be a hopeful like, you know, optimistic

Thanksgiving day and it’s thank you for the fact that 33 will know now they’ve more because there are more states that have Incorporated the use of medical cannabis, so, that’s me. Thankful that there are states that have that that there are patients that are able to get this medicine and I no longer have cannabis immigrants where they would sell their livelihood sell everything that they own and would move to California or Colorado because they could get their medication there and they were unable to do so here.

Yeah, well, I think that’s great. Dr. Rosado. I think it’s a great spot for us to call it a day and let you get back to your business and thank you so much for taking time out for us on this holiday weekend to be and good luck with your book and best of luck to you. Thank you.

Thank to you and as well as your radio listeners, happy holidays, as we enter the holiday season police they safe and healthy because together with the pandemic or also stepping into the loose. Season cold and flu season so that combination can be a recipe for disaster. So please stay safe. Stay healthy and until next year. Peace.

Thank you. Dr. Rosado. Have a great day. you as well sir.

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12. CBD for Cancer

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Hello. Dr. Cat? Hello, Ashley.

Hi there. Welcome to the long Thanksgiving weekend. I hope everything’s going great for you. Oh, it’s wonderful.

Thank you and the same to you. Well, thanks for being on the show here with us. Your background is really interesting to me and I look forward to talking to you today and and focusing on cannabis and cannabinoids CBD and and specifically your experience with cancer. And also what you’re With integrative medicines and everything that you’re you’re up to there. So why don’t you start by just giving us a little bit of an introduction on yourself and we can just kind of take the conversation from there if that works.

Thank you. As you know you’re calling me, dr. Cat my name is dr. Katarina wirz aqus and dr. Cat is what I go by because of the decision that will make to call me. So anyway, I’m here because I love the Natural Health Realm. And I studied in Natural Health over 20 years ago and ended up working as a natural health integrative medicine doctor and an integrated psychotherapist. I’m the owner of insight Wellness Center and I am a psycho oncologist along other many things.

That’s great. So tell us I think to start with and I hope we’re not jumping into it too soon, but I would love to talk about your story your personal story with cancer as I understand it. You’re a Survivor and obviously cancer is something that’s top of mind to a lot of us who have been touched by that one way or another with our families ourselves and my father actually recently passed away from cancer. So it’s really, you know, sensitive topic for me. So Just love to hear. You know what you’re willing to share with us about your journey through that and how cannabis came into play and and or CBD I you know cannabis is CBD. I like to say that a lot on this podcast want people to understand that what it really is. It’s just a non-psychoactive version of the cannabis plant. But anyway, why don’t you if you could take it away and tell us a little bit about your journey.

Yes. Well, I’m sorry to hear that but your father’s passing. Oh, thank you. There isn’t anybody on the planet? Janet who has not been affected by cancer either a friend or a family member and I myself I spent so many years in the health Natural Health round. My brother was a bodybuilder my mother, you know only cook healthy Greek Foods, you know, the Mediterranean diet and Longevity and health and my father’s a Spartan and so he used to make us wake up every day and exercise used to make us get in the snow in our pajamas, too. Build our immune system and so it was no surprise that I was interested in being in the Natural Health realm. No one expected that I would be diagnosed with cancer. And when I got diagnosed with a cancer people would call me and they say why you because my job was to help people to prevent illness and cancer as we know does not have an age. It doesn’t have a sex it effects. Anybody and there’s so much that we need to learn about cancer because we look at genetics. We look at lifestyle and went to Eton, you know, I didn’t have it in my family. There were no genetics. I did genetic testing because I was quite surprised. My father’s one of 12. My mother’s one of seven. It’s a pretty large family and then again teaching people, you know, about methylation and so forth. So obviously when I got diagnosed seven years ago, I was a deer in headlights. I was shocked everybody shocked and they go through the stages of grief for me having three children and like most moms, you know, there was no way that I was going to let this thing get me down. However, being a deer in headlights. I lost all of the education I had in my head it was as if I was following this white light right into conventional medicine, you know, I I’m in In complementary integrative it means using best of the East and the west and yet I was just going straight for what the doctors were telling me and you know one day after you know, the shock started to wear off. I started to say I need to do more and because you can’t really heal yourself or your family. There’s so much subjective things going on. I hired two people one natural path and one functional medicine doctor and having studied. In Natural Health 20 over 21 years ago, the first class that we take is about cancer the history of cancer how cancer was treated conventionally. And so the people that I worked with immediately wanted me to start being on cannabis. I didn’t use it recreationally. I didn’t feel I needed to and I didn’t use it for my health. Now. I know better preventatively I think everybody I’d be taking a little bit CBD and we’ll talk about that daily. But I I felt like this was something that I was going to consider. But my Natural Health doctors were insisting not only that every day. I would say for a couple of weeks was very bizarre and opened the door of my house and be a little brown bag. And in that while people didn’t give it to me. I don’t know why they showed up at 11 o’clock. But this is seven years ago, right and so I would open up the brown bag and there was all these goodies, you know from brownies to gummies tinctures at a every type of cannabis. You can imagine I felt like I was progressing. Okay because I was using complementary medicines with my chemo, but it caught up with me. I had metastatic cancer. I had it in my chest. My lymph nodes in both my breasts and so the chemo was very hard. I had to go in for a radical mastectomy and then bouts of chemo for a very long time and then 13 weeks of daily radiation and six areas. So while I was going through the chemotherapy a lot of the medications cause you discomfort and pain and it was a Friday night and I had so much pain and I think I was doing was helping me. And so I reached for the bag and you what did I pull out? What do you think? I pulled out the brownie? Everybody says the brownie. I’m glad he didn’t want the brownie because cookie the cookie. Okay second choice. It was this big and I remember sitting on my blue couch. I remember the color so clearly and these beautiful, you know, Lavender lamp shades with little crystals hanging down which I you know everyday busy working didn’t even pay any attention to it was sitting down and took a little bite and I hadn’t eaten as we know with cancer. We don’t have an appetite and we’ll talk about see if you with that as well.

And so I think the edible started working pretty quickly on me and I suddenly it was the most amazing thing. It wasn’t that my pain went away. It was that I was getting distant from my pain. And I I started noticing things around me. I started noticing that lampshade and the soft velour of the couch and I wasn’t focusing in on me and I thought to myself, you know, I’m going to go take a bath if this feels good. The water is going to feel good. It’s something I hadn’t done, you know with operations you avoid water. But before I went into the bath I got frightened and I thought to myself what if this wears off in the pain comes back. That’s how bad the pain was. I got terrified. And so I ate the whole cookie and as we know, you know, this was this had THC in it, unfortunately for me and not for everybody. I had a reaction to the THC where I started feeling very anxious and did start having some pain back, but it was more of the anxiety what I know now because I continued my studies while going through treatments and finish the certification and psycho-oncology and through future studies is that CBD hemp cannabinoid is an antidote to THC. And so if I knew then what you know what I know now would have taken a little bit more of the CBD. However, I knew it helped me and I knew that I had made a mistake at a desperate seem to have too much and hopefully we’ll talk about dosing as well, you know, because we don’t need a lot, right? You know little can be more.

So yes, so I went looking for and seven years ago. It’s not like today where you could easily find CBD without THC. So I found something that had very little THC in it and CBD and then used it routinely since then up until now, you know, I’m still going through surgery. I had a major surgery in December and having another one in a month because of the Scarring and the multiple surgeries I’m using the topical and CBD and with what we’re going to talk about today. It doesn’t leave my bedside. Right? Wow. Well, thank you. There’s so much more I guess to unpack on this but thank you for sharing so far and it’s youknow, I my, you know, fortunately my experience I guess fortunately or unfortunately,

it’s always Either yourself or someone you love right? And in my case my experience someone I love and you know watching him go through the pain of chemo and how that how real everything gets in that time, you know in the fact that you were able to benefit from that. I am glad that you’re sharing that because I think you know my in my father’s case. He probably would have benefited from a lot more stories about what you’re saying because I don’t think he really had the confidence to even though I’ve been in the business for five years. Self right.

It’s still like you said the path to traditional medicine is so intense when you get into that cancer Zone, if you know your life is threatened and you’re you’re scared and you’re you’re you know, there’s all these emotions that you’re experiencing and it’s really easy to just fall right in line with whatever the doctor say. And unfortunately, there’s a lot of things that they don’t say right that I think you know, People have to experience and become aware of through other means so

I really appreciate you sharing that with us and you know, one of the things I heard in talking with some of my other colleagues on this show is to explain that reaction if you had the in maybe, you know, maybe again I’m not a physician or a PhD so I don’t have you know, the qualifications to really talk on it. But in what I understood from speaking with Joseph Rosado, excuse me, who was just on the program. What happens is the your heart rate increases in your blood pressure drops with cannabis. And so therefore that’s what creates that racing feeling that creates the anxiety and they can lead into that, you know kind of a panic attack kind of situation. But anyway, I’m glad you shared that as well. So anybody that’s listening to this can understand what? to expect and to not get too scared about something like that if it does happen to them and it’s not

everybody everybody’s acts differently because of their endocannabinoid system and of course the strain, you know of the CBD and THC combination Right, which is something that is really lacking in science right in terms of what you know, what does what and then I think a lot of people are developing, you know, originally the theory was as simple as sativa Indica hybrid sativa do make you more on the upside indicative, but you more on the Sleepy side and a hybrid for during the day. Unfortunately, I think most of us realize now that it’s not that simple and a lot of time You know, there’s there are sativas that can more lead to a more down effects. There are indicators that can lead to more up uplifting effect. And I think what the emerging science is suggesting is that Salt Air terpene based. So it’s really the terpene combinations that you’re finding and what that does for your individual body and what you react to based on those terpenes is really the effect that you’re going to get from the Cannabis, which is absolutely and I work with hemp CBD airily and we don’t find that people get that heart rate. It actually helps slow the heart rate down. That’s why the CBD helps with anxiety and that’s why you know, when you look at the THC the higher like we explained earlier the higher the THC and the lower the CBD the higher the chances as Joseph had explained will happen to you an you’re right. There’s so much research that needs to be done. Everybody’s growing they’re doing hybrid. It’s very Horton to know your your source and I hope we talk about that a little bit yeah, so what are your thoughts on sourcing? I mean I’ve been in the business for a while. I mean there’s you know really comes down to Quality right but do you have any any particular things that you would suggest folks look for when they’re thinking about that? Yes people come to me because I’m a specialist or looking at something complementary or alternative. A lot of people don’t want a lot have a lot of Option medication rather start the natural route and you know taking an oath to do no harm and truly believing in Wellness. I didn’t look at CBD as oh, wow. Here’s something that you know, we can try I looked at it as what does it have to offer what are the health benefits and what are the problems that it can occur? You know, I’m an inventor and I invented something 20 years ago that I thought was amazing, but it you know when you do the research you There’s problems. So that’s why it’s so important to allow time to allow to learn and so what I do is I vet products that I recommend and I want to make sure that it’s pure pure means that they may not be any mold or pesticide toxins per se in the CBD the as we know them CBD is has been used to clean grounds, you know in areas where there’s toxic. It’s a I’ll plan it pulls up everything but as it pulls up all these wonderful nutrients for our body. It also pulls up all the toxins. And so looking for something that’s organic from the soil, you know all the way up to the way the the plant is raised. It’s not enough to just be tested in my opinion. It needs to be tested, you know throughout outside lab third-party tested down. It’s very important. Portent that you can read the label if there’s there was a study that showed that I don’t know what percent it was, but I believe it was around 80% the what was in the bottle. What was was not on the packaging and you know, how can I do something like that? We want to start low, but if I know that I’m using something that’s a pure CBD and has the amount of CBD in milligrams. Then I know how to help. A tour to Monitor and a science we can see what really helps if we don’t get to a science with what’s in the CBD. It’s going to be very hard to to do sit in the natural realm, you know, we know that pharmaceutical companies are getting involved and they you know synthesized medicines and they’ve created synthetic cannabis for certain medical illnesses. So those are those But they’re not natural and the natural has minimum side effects on like something that the body doesn’t recognize and see if you need something that the body recognize so I do look also for full spectrum full spectrum. Meaning that the whole plant is in there. I believe in whole whole milk and that’s important because there’s a synergistic and Entourage effect that happens when you have the Whole now with CBD, there’s point zero percent THC or .03 which is non psychoactive and considered over-the-counter, right? So there’s some people who have I have people who are in the law enforcement. I work with many nurses and they have to get tested and in some places. There’s zero tolerance for even a legal amount of THC. And so that’s where I would recommend a broad spectrum which is the full plant without the THC, right? Okay. Well, thank you for clarifying that I know that’s a point of confusion for a lot of people and it changes a lot in the marketplace. There’s some manufacturers that are you know being very liberal with how they’re using those terminologies. So I think you’ve kind of laying out what to really look for there and two questions to ask One of the things that on this whole topic is one of the things we want to do here on the show is to it’s all about education and awareness and helpfulness, you know for people to get the right information that are looking for it. And so with that I’ve thought about actually just started. I haven’t rolled it out yet, but we’re going to be having a CBD products rating and reviews here so that we can since we’re not operating too. You know sell any products necessarily we’re going to provide some ratings on all the popular brands and ask anybody that wants to have their product rated to send it to us and we’ll get it up and review the product for them. So great. That’s a very good idea because we need reference points, you know, we there’s so many websites out there and people are tooting their own horn because they want to make money and that’s not a bad thing. But you don’t know, you know how to decipher. Who’s who so I’m very happy to hear that so, So exciting. Well, thank you. I’m glad to hear that. It’s getting these think it’s a good idea because you never know right? It’s what’s the right? What are the right things that we need to do to really help break through and help people understand what this is and what it isn’t so we need to talk. Yeah. Exactly.

So Switching gears a little bit to talk about you mentioned earlier alluded to CBD as part of a daily routine talk to us about that. What why you recommend that and what kind of daily

Thank you. You typically are looking for there. Okay, so I’m you know, you’re asking about me and I think you’re asking about General. Is that correct?

Yeah and general like what you would recommend to, you know, the people that are you’re working with

well with CBD always start slow and titrate up or down as needed again, everybody’s cannabinoid system is different when we’re talking about cancer. There’s research that is very promising. Around the area of cancer in 2013. There was evidence showing that cannabinoids were to reduce tumor size and they interfere with cancer cell migration adhesion and vacations meant metastasize and so forth. It has shown to stop proliferation and you cancer cells. So I feel that not only just with cancer we know about inflammation and pain and inflammation being a culprit to you know, most illnesses and So if you’re taking a little bit of CBD a like you would a vitamin D3 but with vitamin D3 not everybody may need it we can get our blood work. We can’t get her blood work done and see how much hard cannabinoids are yet and how much each person will need. And so I always recommend a little bit see how you feel possibly because there could be a side effect even though it’s not psychoactive. You may feel a little sleepy during the day and what terpene it’s mixed with you may have more. Our Focus but at night because it comes down the heart you may have lots of thoughts about work or something that’s bothering you but the cortisol or the gentleman’s not Russian so you can still have your thoughts and sleep.

So very little for preventive in general for the daily dose that we were talking about and then it’s somebody’s coming in and needing it for a treatment again always collaborating with the doctor looking at what other medications some Use on because we do know that CBD can increase the serum level of some medications and we’re looking at the metabolism of CBD in the liver. There’s some good news that says that CBD may not plug the same pathway, but that it actually goes through and allows the medicines but there’s so much research and it’s what is it over 5,000 studies at this time and CBD, you know, there’s over 20,000 on cannabis itself, you know. Historically the other thing that we do know, so that’s the preventive but from the treatment perspective there’s research that shows that CBD can actually cut the feeder veins. It provides that Supply the tumor with oxygen and nutrients and so, you know, I I think it’s important everybody’s different CBD is not for everybody. It’s you know, there are Says as their need to be because this is a new Arena but I’d look at CBD as aspirin or opiates when they first started these are plants that have done such amazing things aspirin not so much. It’s all good. But opiates have changed our lives tremendously, but it can cause some Carm and so we need to make sure that we’re moving responsibly with whatever we’re using and we do encourage. courage dialogue and I think by putting up the information and I here’s the other good thing about putting a website up where people can go and look the competitors are going to want to be up there and people are going to see that the competitors may have a product that people are seeking because it meets its checks off all those right boxes and it’s going to maybe create a little bit more responsibility, but for people also,

No, you know that there is a difference. I don’t want to see CBD go away because somebody harm right because of Bad actors, right? I think AB study of a couple years ago the FDA. I think they studied there. They tested pulled about 20 products off of the the shelves. And if I recall there was something like 14 or more.

I guess I need to do my homework and get the actual fact of quite quite a few of them. Let’s say that the didn’t even have any CBD and the product whatsoever. And there was you know, the vast majority of them also retained it with you know, heavy metals or pesticides or some kind of toxic, you know contaminant that obviously you wouldn’t want to ingest. Well, here’s the the here’s the number 16 pesticides on Street cannabis and up to 1 in a dispensary. And I think that was three years ago four years ago that I read about that. Um research pesticides alone, right? It’s Malcolm. If you burn mold or pesticide that’s can be very harmful with time. So again, you know this wonderful plant that is here like everything in nature to support us needs to be treated, you know with respect and whole so I guess going back at to little bit.

I realized in looking at my notes. We didn’t really get into the details on you know, your cancer when you were doing I assume you did THC and CBD as part of your cure.

I started with and I had that reaction with THC. And so I looked into getting something that had very little THC and CBD until I found just CBD alone and that’s where I started even carrying it in my practice but and researching we doing heavy dose. The CBD then during your cancer Doses and people don’t need heavy doses as a matter of fact with cancer. There are so many symptoms. And what CBD does is it covers, you know, five very important areas.

One of them is pain, you know, whether it’s from surgery the cancer itself can cause pain emotional pain and we know that CBD works very well with neuropathic pain. Okay, and so it’s it’s wonderful and I used it for that. I used it for swelling, you know, the type of chemo that I had and many of the chemos very strong they can cause neuropathy to and it can continue for the rest of your life. And so I was putting topical CBD on my feet. I recommend that along with other supplements again, it’s not just CBD CBD is a part of it. We know that there’s anxiety and depression, you know, am I going to survive what’s going to happen to my family? I couldn’t work. I had to put everything on hold. I was so lucky that I had a great Network, you know that came in to support me and help my practice.

I have a big clinic and so it was pretty scary and we know that’s CBD offered similar effects to ssris. Those are serotonin reuptake hers. Which what you see in your major and To depressions that help the transmission of 5-HTP in the brain. So the research suggests that it helps affect your serotonin receptors faster and have fewer negative effects than some medications. But then again we need more research, but we know how CBD works with anxiety. So that was something that I used it for and I had your typical and nausea. I didn’t have vomiting but I’m the type of person you put me in the back seat or an airplane, you know, I feel sorry for the person in the front, right? So after I started using the CBD, I had no nausea and till this day I can read in the backseat of a car. You know, these are not things that I haven’t been experiencing for a month and we’re talking about 7 years now and I even went you know to Disneyland with my children to celebrate and went on a ride. It would never go that would turn my stomach upside down it cause Cam and we know that with you know, No fear can trigger nausea the other thing that happened as you know, immediately lost 40 pounds. I look like a little skeleton. And so we know that CBD can stimulate the appetite CBD THC. A lot of people will talk about how the THC we’ve heard about the munchies, but and they say that if you want to do that, you know use cannabis and versus accountable Doyle.

However, There’s a lot of wonderful research coming out on cbda a standing for acid and that’s the CBD and a plant. That’s the part that goes away as soon as you start heating up the plant so, you know, it’s using the highest level of processing or not processing, you know to get a good grade of CBD and they found that the CBD a actually helps with nausea and to stimulate being the appetite. So those are all things that I used. And inflammation, you know pain in my joints. I was on a medication after my fourth treatment was a pill and that caused my body to have severe joint pain and lead to osteoporosis. So what happened was if I wanted to get out of bed? I couldn’t walk couldn’t move my feet by the time I would go to the bathroom. I could start walking again. So literally walking across the room was really hard. It was like, you know, it’s a all I can explain it is as a stiffness and it hurts. So, you know, you can’t walk. I hadn’t when I use and I started using more CBD putting it on my feet. It actually removed the stiffness and I read somewhere in the research where CBD can mimic estrogen without the side effects of estrogen that’s Something that definitely needs to be looked in more because I had estrogen related hormone cancer. And so I have to keep away with from anything that can stimulate estrogen and take an estrogen blocker. And so there’s a lot of stuff that you can’t you know, use and knowing that the CBD may possibly be helping me with my bones and not totally robbing me of my estrogen. That the medicine does that I get the good benefits without the negative which is you know, estrogen feeding cancer makes sense on and on and on so that makes sense. That’s what two plants would do, right?

That’s why absolutely so just one of the things that I look on your your background and one of things I was at that caught my attention, it was something that you mentioned about energy work.

Oh, yes, tell me about that energy work, you know and I was studying my focus wasn’t on energy work and it caught my attention and I thought you know, I’m going to take this as an elective when you’re studying Natural Health Sciences, you studying the philosophy of Natural Health, you know from the East and the west and it’s nice job with e ayurvedic medicine medicine traditional Chinese medicine. They chop it. You have to study all of those and energy work was an elective. And so I took it thinking like what is this its Bodywork? It’s it could go anywhere from Reiki to massage the chakra. It’s understanding the chi in the body and the flow and at the center because I believe an integrative treatments so somebody comes in because they’re depressed and they come in for Psychotherapy. We look at the whole person in their environment. Iron, meant offer alternative medicines to include meditate guided meditation and Reiki and we offer that in collaboration with the care that we do so people can heal as a whole. So energy work is really looking at the person’s chakras and then stimulating the energy flow and with Reiki you don’t you don’t need to touch the person like you do with massage. and I believe doing the work that I have done that there’s emotional blockage for so many people that can cause disease rushing can cause disease negative thoughts no matter how healthy you are, you know resentments those things can cause disease and when I started studying the chakra, I noticed that in ancient times all the way till now they’re looking at the energy and the suppression developmentally what I’ve Noticed is that where the suppression is their psychological issues.

It’s not just problems with your your gut or cardiac issues because you were abandoned or you know issues with your throat. There’s also the inability to speak, you know to allow somebody to come in and love you. And so that’s a little bit. It’s great. I’m a big believer. I am I asked because I get energy work probably. Two times a month at least yelling. It’s so relaxing to isn’t it? Yeah. Yes it is. And it’s it’s real. I mean I wanted you to explain it because you would do a better job than I would ever do in terms of what of technically what it is, but it’s something that I think, you know, I wanted to share with my listeners because it’s a it’s been a game changer, you know, I think it might my mind opened up. I had my story was I had an accident and I found Cannabis to be very especially, you know THC to take away the pain after my accident and then CBD really started to heal me heal the nerves at least for me and rebuild a lot of the pathways that I think were damaged. But anyway through that process it just became I became more aware of the the ability of the body to respond to plant medicine which then leads you into the the idea of understanding that you know you you know, if you’ve ever I had a lot of Chiropractic work done over the years because of that accident as well and you start to realize that yes, there’s some physical things there but a lot of the things that come up in our lives and our bodies are mental, you know most of them right and so I also makes me you know, I hope you don’t don’t be insulted by this this question, but it makes me wonder with you because it makes me thinks the same thing about my Either there’s no history of cancer in our family. He’s from a large family. My mom’s from a large family. No kick. Nobody has cancer. My dad gets it and eyes very rapidly. Right and I with what I know about this, you know, not nearly as much as you do, but what I know about it and what I’m wondering and learning more and more about is, you know, what was really the cause of his cancer and I wonder if you have thought about that with you or if that’s that’s too So feel free to do I know for me I use myself as an Avenue stories or everything being vulnerable were relatable, you know, because people see Health Care Providers and you know, maybe people like yourself who you know are at the top of your field and you know, they don’t understand that, you know, we’re people and we experience the same thing and we need it we need to talk about it. And so I did a lot of exploration around that area. Everything is energy, right? You know you eat something that’s alive that’s green, you know transfer

the energy into your body. What I did is I I’ve changed I didn’t think I had an ego and I realized that it comes in different forms and you know, I reviewed you know, I got very angry I said to myself What were you waiting for Katarina, you know you’re working working rushing rushing, you know, you want to do things later in your life, you know have a dream retirement and you’ve done nothing you’ve done nothing but work rush rush rush rush. And so I evaluated myself. I’m an optimist. I think I was born a happy person and And but you know, I recognize that that was a problem in myself. And we know as I mentioned earlier rushing is a disease the mind can affect our body. It can change ourselves. That’s why energy work, you know is real and it’s not, you know, we can see it right now, but you know, there are ways to measure the energy in the heat in the body. And if you’re suppressing something if you’re a high achiever. You know, that’s not always the best thing and we know that high Achievers people who go go go go and do a lot and I’ve done a lot. We haven’t even touched the surface and they still be proud of it.

You know what I did and how much I did but now it’s all about slowing down relaxing recognizing that I can get things done faster when I go slower. Yeah, it’s cancer and Any diseases from an energy perspective are affected by our environment meaning the people that we surround and our inner dialogues and it’s so important to learn to recognize those and to change them because it’s not just the beauty is just it’s not just medicine. It’s not just learning skills are restructuring is lonely what’s inside you deeply inside you and doing the work right and it’s a stressful world we live in and Different genetics and different environments and all those things play out very differently.

But I think the the one thing that is constant is, you know, the energy flow that we all have and the reality that how that relates to the endocannabinoid system. I don’t know and maybe we don’t know but the two together are pretty interesting when it comes to health and wellness because supplementing one and doing work on the other. Really be a game changer for a lot of people but you got to be open I think and you got to be open to that as a concept and to the to the you know lack of science quote-unquote there, right? Because I say that with the quotes, you know, everybody wants science these days, right and it frustrates me because this is science emerging right before our eyes the people are ignoring and that they’re legislating away so that more science can’t develop, right?

Thousands of years Ashley. I mean people were observing, you know stings and they could see things that we can’t see now, you know now we close our eyes we take a pill we don’t question why we have a headache, you know, why do we take water and in regards to the endocannabinoid system their CB1 receptor and C B to C B, 1 is cannabinoid one which covers our nervous system in our brain and our pain and our anxiety and depression and see be doing CBD to our immune system and its the highest amount of CB2 is in a lymph nodes. And so I mean that goes back to you know spread of cancer and all these anyway, do we yes we need research and yes, we need to be responsible. But there’s also the sense of common sense. If you’re in the right system is the largest receptor in your body responsible for bringing your body into a balanced health health Ters all over you wanting to you to be well and we have endocannabinoids means cannabinoids inside our body and we have cannabinoids XO outside of our body. So when we’re having Fido cannabinoids plant cannabinoids that are rich in all these different cannabinoids. I think there’s over a hundred and forty and I we have to look that up. It keeps changing but when you eat and it goes all over your your body, you know, and we do No, scientifically that those exist that the endocannabinoid is here, but they didn’t discover until the 1990s and I still don’t teach it in medical schools. And we need to be talking with doctors why we collaborate I just did a big Zoom with several doctors and they wanted to know you know, but they also at the end there like will send me the research and you know, I’m like, okay, I’ll send you the research, but did you tell him to call the US Department of Health and if they want to look at the patent on antioxidants and Euro protectants for Alzheimer’s and stroke and epilepsy and Parkinson’s and yeah with like myself and we are in nursing homes and retirement taking people off a Seroquel taking Muscle pain patches very successfully or not even using them and we’re seeing Improvement people who have psychosis, you know, the CBD there’s research that shows that it helps with schizophrenia psychosis is not schizophrenia, but it’s altered state and we see that that helps I’ve had kids on THC who started very young ended up going into Hospital settings very depressed. They put them on so many No medicines by the time I saw I saw them their IQ was really low because they never really had a chance to grow and using CBD got them off of THC got them off of the Seroquel and back into life and it can take one to two years when you’re dealing with somebody who’s been in that situation for years or when you’re working with a senior. It’s pretty fast. I mean we’re talking about a day to a month. I mean working with the Aging population and those who don’t have Alzheimer’s that don’t have you know, Parkinson’s they do have you know, most all of us arthritis and pain and information. And and so yeah, and the thing is that they believe anything they see on TV, you know, they see that cream, you know that I’ve been watching on the news network. So I got this for 20 to get this for $20 why pay $60, you know, it’s got CBD in it. Somebody brought me a little vial like this and it was clear and I’m like I just I didn’t know there’s no sleeping. It’s like water but I’ve only paid $6.99 for it, right? I like okay. We got a long way to go to to increase station on that. But I think that’s a great speakers are the vulnerable ones in that, you know area because they want it and they’re the ones in the 1960s. They used to smoke and get high. So for them, it’s like revisiting, you know, I got a phone call from accounting here and they knew I worked in Jerry actually knew I worked in CBD and they said we need you to do a presentation. I mean the room was packed with seniors and they said, you know, we’re having a problem. We’re having a problem with the seniors and I what is it and they said they’re self-medicating and I’m like, you know that’s been happening for years. We do that all the time, you know, they’ll go home and they’re anxious and they’ll start drinking alcohol, you know, and they use it to self-medicate and I’m like no They are smoking weed and they are high and they’re mixing it with their medicines and they’re have Falls and we have to send our volunteers. Can you please come in town There’s also CPD and so I go and I do a presentation on what’s the difference between CBD THC and what to look for in seniors and the stories that come out the people to come and visit it changes their their lives.

It’s wonderful. Well, that’s great.

I really thank you for your time, and it’s been great meeting you and thank you for all the work that you’re doing, and it’s wonderful. I can’t wait to get to know you more. I’m sure our paths will cross in the industry, and let’s definitely stay in touch. But thank you so much for taking time for us this weekend.

Thank you Ashley. Same here. Have a nice afternoon.

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11. Cannabis for Sex

Cannabis for Sex:

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Today’s guest is dr. Becky Lynn M.D. From st. Louis, and we’re focused our conversation with dr. Lin on women’s health today and specifically how it pertains to cannabis and CBD and women’s sexual health. So I hope you enjoy the show.

Hi, how are you? Good? How are you? Can you hear me? Okay, I can.

Awesome. Well, Happy Thanksgiving.

Thanks. You too. 

Yeah, thanks for joining us on this day after Thanksgiving. I appreciate you taking the time. It’s really nice to meet you fascinated

to talk to you in terms of your specific area of expertise when it comes to cannabis and CBD very different than most of the folks we talked with. So hopefully we’ll be able to shed a lot of light for the listeners. And help educate some folks around cannabis and sexual function. Sure. Is that accurate? 

That’s pretty accurate.

So tell us a little bit about yourself to get started. And how did you get interested in the Cannabis Dimension as an MD? I mean, I’m always intrigued by that 

so I’m a gynecologist and I specialize in menaPause and sexual health and sexual problems in women. so low libido painful sex, difficulty with orgasm and the whole cannabis thing sort of fell into my lap. It was back in 2015. I was seeing many women for sexual problems and I had a number of women come to me and say, you know, I have this problem with libido or have a problem with orgasm. But when I use marijuana it gets better and so it just made me a little bit curious. I wanted to know is there any truth to that and if so, what’s the idea behind

it? And so what I did is I went to the medical literature, you know published medical studies and there really was not much there really because it’s been illegal. So there’s really there’s very few. There were there were no like high quality studies because you can’t do that and have you know, what control group and group that gets marijuana and then evaluate their sexual function. There were a couple questionnaires which are inherently not great studies because you know, it depends on its there so many areas where you may just not remember exactly what things felt like, you know, when you did that and then there were a handful of animal studies so rats and hamsters and things like that. So then I went to the internet to see what I could find and there were plenty of websites that that cannabis is the greatest thing since sliced bread when it comes to sex and you should try it and all this so I was working for st. Louis University at the time and in Missouri at that time. All marijuana was illegal medical.  Marijuana is now legal in Missouri. I’m in St Louis, but when I was doing this was all illegal, so we designed a questionnaire to evaluate women’s perceptions of the sexual experience when they smoked marijuana before hand and we asked people how they used marijuana was it, you know edibles. Or smoking or vaping and the majority said smoking. So we are questionnaire looked at several domains of sexual function. We looked at the overall sexual experience sex drive lubrication pain and orgasm and what we found was that the majority of the women who and basically the group that we looked at. I worked in a big busy OBGYN office. Was anybody who walked into that office no matter how young how old well they had to be above 18, but they could be pregnant non-pregnant was just you know, a representative sample of the women that came to our

clinic and so we did find it back to the findings that the majority of women reported and improved sexual experience overall improved orgasm improved Drive less pain and really not much difference in lubrication and we talk to almost 400 women 300 plus women. So it was a pretty big sample when we did that we have also now completed a second study, but it’s not published yet and it’s still in its still with the statistician

looking at Women’s perceptions of the sexual experience in a group of women with sexual problems. So I’m anxiously awaiting that information and kind of curious what we’re going to find so it definitely just fell in my lap and it was Kind of good timing because you know, there is such a movement in Missouri for medical marijuana and during the time that I was doing all this it passed so it’s been it’s been very interesting and with these these folks that were being studied was this marijuana use directly before sex or was it marijuana use in general? And therefore you’re more relaxed as a person and sex naturally is better or both before sex. That’s specifically what we asked. Yeah and So we compared several groups also, so we separated into people who didn’t smoke marijuana people who smoked marijuana, but it wasn’t part of sex usually and then people who use specifically before sex and we did find that people who used marijuana before sex had twice as high chance of reporting good orgasms and their life in general.

Wow, that’s a pretty big deal. Right? 

So yeah at the media loves that one.

I mean just as much attention as gets paid to male sexual health, right? I mean, I have a pharma background. I used to be in that world and very familiar with with DTC drug advertising specifically in the male erectile dysfunction area. I spent a lot of time there. So it’s there’s a lot a lot of money that’s been spent in that regard, right the what you’re talking about here is pretty revolutionary stuff, right? What kind reception are you getting? 

Oh, well when my study came out, I was called by a lot of and I’ve never been in this in this position. But a lot of people called and wanted to interview me and talk about the study. It definitely has has caught on and it’s you know, my have a 16 year old daughter who was this was all like two nights ago and she was scrolling through her phone and she knows what my research is about and She was she saw some study on cannabis and she was reading it some on the internet like a not like a published medical study and she was and it said a researcher and steal a gynecologist in st. Louis and she was like, that’s my mom. So it’s it’s kind of funny. It’s definitely gotten traction. I’m very interested in it. And since then I I have created a there’s a course that I well I was going to do it live, but now it’s all recorded through cannabinoid medicine studies on women’s health and marijuana and cannabinoids in general not just marijuana and I have learned so much more about you know, how it works in the body and how it affects pregnancy what we know and what we don’t know and lactation and fertility and the menstrual cycle and I I just feel like, you know, there’s a lot of potential with cannabinoids because the receptors that they bind to in the body are all Over and they’re concentrated in the reproductive tract. So there’s a lot that we don’t know but I kind of think now with you know States legalizing it it’s becoming you know more acceptable to do studies on it before you you could but it was definitely it was very difficult. You could only use a strain of cannabis that came from a farming Mississippi, which is not anything that anybody is actually using so, you know, I just feel like the world is our oyster and and and what we’re going to learn in the future and I see it already all around me. Just how many more studies are coming out how many researchers are looking into all the possibilities for medical marijuana. So do you have any hypotheses at this point as to why it’s working for women so well or how it’s working or both? Yeah. So for the sex realm, I think it works for a variety of reasons. I think one it does now. Well, let me preface this by saying it’s not going to make sex fantastic in every situation with Person you have to be in a comfortable situation with somebody that you trust. You know, I certainly don’t recommend this to everybody in every situation and definitely not children. Definitely not so but in the right situation with the right person or by yourself, I think it lowers anxiety and having treated women with sexual problems. I think anxiety plays a huge role when it comes to pain and when it comes to orgasm but even just with the libido if you’re a little nervous about things, you know, it can lower your anxiety. I think it slows down the perception of time and it heightens all of your senses so that feeling of touch and taste and smell like I think it just heightens your senses and makes everything seem so much bigger in your brain. That’s generally what it does in life. Right and just don’t make sense. I guess that that would have been super into into sex

So what anything any part of I know you haven’t done the studies yet or so much better you looking at all at Men’s Health is part of this to to see if they’re similar reaction or you staying focused on women at this point.

So I’m just staying focused on women. I used to be full time at Saint Louis University. Now, I’m an Adjunct professor there and I have my own private practice in Missouri. And when I was full time at SLU, I had reached out to one of the urologist who had a an interest in men’s health and we talked about doing something together, but we never got on it and I can’t do it myself because I am not a men’s sexual health expert by no means none of my patients are men. So so I don’t know if he’s like had any idea, you know desire to go down that route, but I don’t I don’t treatment or semen so I’m kind of useless when it comes to that.

Yeah, I went to Indiana University a long time ago, but I know they’ve really A lot of leadership experience in the area of sexual health for men and women. So I don’t know if there’s any is there anybody there working on anything similar to what you’re looking

at or do you know not that I know of since my paper was published.

There’s been a couple more papers, but I can’t remember off the top of my head where they’re coming from. I want to say one was like maybe Stanford, but I’m not a hundred percent sure, right. So what’s next for you in terms of exploring this further? I mean how How do you hope to I guess gather the support to explore more clinical testing that is that where your mind is. Well, so my immediate project is I’m working with a couple people and we are writing a review of the effects of cannabinoids on pelvic pain because I think that is a huge window of opportunity like I mentioned there’s a lot of As for cannabinoids in the reproductive tract and one of the places where it shows some promise maybe we don’t know because we don’t have enough data yet is in women with endometriosis and endometriosis causes chronic pelvic pain when it gets bad, it’s horrible. So what endometriosis is where the endometrium or they’ll the tissue that lines the uterus what women shed each month with a period can be implanted in the pelvis on the bladder on the bowel. On pelvic sidewall and it causes inflammation and it causes terrible pain and it causes painful sex and there is some preliminary thought and very preliminary data that cannabinoids might help with pain due to endometriosis. So we’re in the process of looking at all the literature and writing a review of what we know on on how cannabinoids affect pelvic pain because there’s really good data there is data on pain in general. And cannabinoids, you know, it’s at least in Missouri chronic pain is one of the you know diagnosis that you can use to say that someone is able to use medical marijuana. So we know that it works for pain. So with this review, we’re sort of honing in on chronic pelvic pain. I don’t have any anything like my questionnaires that I did in the works at this point mainly because I’m not full-time academic. Mix anymore. So to do a big study is a lot more complicated, but I’m definitely working on the paper with chronic pelvic pain.

And in that regard are you looking for thinking is your hypothesis? That is it could be CBD or THC or both or is it does it matter to you and your research? 

So CBD does have an it’s an analgesic also, so and you know, I don’t know what the right answer is it CBD or is it? Cannabis or is it a combination of both and my suspicion is that probably a combination of both because they potentiate each other and if you know you mix CBD and THC maybe you don’t have to use as much THC and when you think about medical marijuana, it’s different from recreational

 marijuana. The goal isn’t to get stoned the goal is to use as little as you need to have an Effect on whatever you’re treating so it’s not to get high. And so, you know you I think that’s why that’s part of the reason. I think that THC and CBD combined will probably pan out in the future. Yeah. Well it remains to be seen one place. I do use CBD and this is totally not Based on data that collects data that’s published is I see a lot of women with chronic pelvic pain and vulvodynia. And so vulvodynia is pain on the vulva and there’s no reason for it. It’s not a yeast infection. It’s not that you use the wrong soap or detergent or something like that. Some women have chronic pain of the Bola and as you can imagine it’s horrifying,

you know, and so there’s a variety of reasons that happens, but I have a couple patients who have You know been treated with everything and gone everywhere the Mayo Clinic and Northwestern and like with all the tried-and-true treatments that we have haven’t gotten better. And so, you know, I was talking to one this all just got started because there are CBD Lubes out there and there are CBD suppositories and and things like that and I said because of what I know about cannabis and marijuana and cannabinoids  I said, you know, there’s the CBD Lube. I don’t know if it’s going to help. Bu, you know, but it’s pretty benign from a reputable company. And so my one patient who was seriously had tried everything that’s been going on for years. She tried the CBD lube and she loved it and it helped her pain so much so it’s totally anecdotal because you don’t know that it’s really the CBD in the lube. It could be the other stuff that’s in the one to but so we tried it with another chronic pelvic pain patient, and she said it took her pain from an eight. On a Pain Scale to it too. And so I’m just like and I don’t know if we can’t prove that. It’s the CBD but knowing what I know about CBD I’m excited to see where that goes. And I do know that there is a trial going on on the East Coast a friend of mine is looking at a CBD lube for vulvodynia, and I was reading about how CBD works and CBD works by binding to the Seeing receptor as capsaicin so capsaicin. I don’t know if you know much about capsaicin. It comes from peppers and it hurts like hell but it’s supposed to help with pain. What’s that strong anti-inflammatory? Yeah. So so I never it’s a known treatment for vulvodynia, but I’ve never had the courage to use it because what I’ve heard like when you first put it on it burns like crazy,

 so I’ve never used it, but I read somewhere that CBD binds to the same receptor as capsaicin, which is a known treatment for vulvodynia. So I was like, oh, you know, maybe it’s going to work. Who knows but I definitely see the potential in it. 

That’s great. That’s thanks for sharing that logic to around why you think things are working because without studies we don’t really know right but it’s okay. You can apostasies base with with experience and professional judgment like you have so thank you for for sharing that

What else could you share with us that I haven’t asked you about? What on your mind? 

Hmm. What is on my mind?

When you’re there in st. Louis, right? So in Missouri, the legalization status is medical because I could Practice Medical but I know there’s a big movement to make it work to make recreational marijuana legal and actually, you know, it was passed in 2018 and on the November ballot and the first dispensaries just opened in Missouri within the last month or so, so I’m interested to see where it goes.

What are you looking for when you advise your patients? What from a quality standpoint? What do you advise them? You said you referenced earlier from a reputable company? 

Yeah, so, you know so I know a couple vendors that I trust and what I’ve read and heard is that you know, the FDA has gone and tested some of these online CBD products, right? And so, you know one group that they tested had no CBD and no THC another group that was sold as CBD really had THC in it and so, you know and I see these places even right now. I’m actually in Los Angeles visiting my parents like I shouldn’t say that online, but we’re stuck at home. So, you know, I see like just down the street. There’s like two stores. Well, he in in in California. It’s all legal, but I’ve worked with a couple of vendors that I think I And I go with that and they have mine. I don’t remember the designation. I don’t remember it off the top of my head that says they’re reputable certifications that you’re looking for the people. Yes. Yeah a very common one is the u.s. Hemp Authority certification. That’s one minute. Yeah, but I refer people to look for that and they’re looking through for CBD. Yeah, and you know, the thing with CBD is if you look on the internet it says it fixes everything and there is nothing in the This world that fixes everything. So I think people have to be careful with that. It’s not the answer to everything and you know, the thing is also because it’s over the counter. It doesn’t have to undergo the rigorous testing that medicines have to undergo and it’s not regulated like the, you know from being the pharmaceutical industry how tightly regulated when you get your prescription, you know exactly what’s in it. It’s exactly the Name is the bottle of you’re going to get next month. But with these over-the-counter things, they’re really not well regulated at all. So you have to be careful and I feel like there’s a lot of false advertising and marketing claims about everything that CBD does and so be careful what you read. I think yeah, I think that’s great and great advice and thank you so much for your time today. It’s been a pleasure meeting you and getting to know you a bit here, but stay in touch for sure. I get them excited to see where Research goes and best of luck and thank you for doing what you’re doing for women. Thank you for having me. It was fun. Okay.

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10. CBD for Anxiety & Stress

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Today’s guest is dr. Kevin Hoffarth MD. He’s focused on functional medicine in his practice. And in fact, he wrote the book Functional Medicine is the name of his book and we’ll be talking about his experiences with cannabis and CBD for anxiety and stress with his patients. So enjoy the show. Thank you.

To a conference and learn for yourself because it’s it’s not one of those things. You can just kind of talk about you got to actually experience it and After experiencing one conference for a week-long conference. I remember telling my wife I was like, I don’t know anything. I felt like I was back in medical school and trying to kind of restart my understanding of Integrative Medicine and All the explosion of information that was not really privy to a traditional position and I always believed that there was more answers out there. And that what we were doing was was good for about five percent of the population, but we were missing a huge chunk of the population being involved in every area of of care, you know, you just kind of realize I just I’ve never had a really wasn’t having a lot of wins. I called it for self and a win for me was reversing the disease not being stuck on medications indefinitely their disease actually literally goes away that to me is a win and only, you know, a handful of times that I really actually experienced that in the traditional world in the functional World experience it regularly and if you know functional medicine, it’s probably the Easiest way to describe it is it’s we’re talking about the same disease. It’s this is not a new medicine. Okay, it’s just simply flipping the script. Your provider looks patients. So rather than starting at the last chapter that we tend to do in patients in traditional world looking at the disease in the symptoms and the signs and addressing those directly. It’s kind of moving backwards in the book and kind of saying okay what got them there in the first place and you know after doing this for eight years now studying, I literally just drove into functional Medicine and integrative world, I literally took every single course you can possibly take it was kind of insane and I just kind of went back to being a student which I love it’s actually my first love anyways learning and you know you start and then you working with hundreds of patients you start to realize you know, it’s the same Beginnings for most people and it really does come back to the lifestyle component. And and so now it’s me my practice is designed. You literally just teach people how to get out of her own way. The body is designed beautifully and it just doesn’t function optimally when we get in our own way that most of the time. I meant that you’re looking for from people, you know, can I find that very interesting you just in my own experience as and dealing with myself and others that I know, you know, really having a personal commitment to your own health and betterment is is really critical to everything. So tell me more about your experiences there and why you kind of position things that way yeah, it’s a great question. I kind of got the idea. I you know when I was saying flipping the script of how How I look at patients. I also flip the script on what it means to be a doctor and I started to kind of learn that experience with you know, the second half of my career. I have a lot of CEOs and you know, they kind of taught me, you know as a physician, you know me business classes. I took and like all the years of schooling zero and and they kind of teach you kind of, you know, kind of looking at at things from their perspective. Have as a company and I started kind of realizing, you know, it’s not any different if a business owner came to me and said hey, I you know, I feel like my business is profitable, but I feel like I could be doing better. And so they hire a consultant and that consultant comes in and really looks at their business into the details and it’s up to ultimately the CEO to decide if they choose to follow those recommendations or not and you know as a A as a physician physician guide I see myself as that consultant role now where I’m literally just looking under the hood of each patient very detailed. I spend gosh these days. I’m now have an ability to spend two or three hours prepping a person’s chart before I see them and then I spent another two hours with them really get to understand them under the hood and they’re thinking because the key is Is understanding where they’re coming from and why they’re making their decisions and then I always put it back on them and say look this is this is only as good as your commitment as well. And I really try to find what each person’s absolute motivation is deep under the layers and then then I utilize that to help them move forward and stop me. Making personal excuses for not showing themselves the self-love the self-care that they deserved just like they would provide anyone that their employees their loved ones their family members blah blah blah. It’s it’s important to also kind of step back and say look we need to give you time for you. And and here’s what you need to do. You don’t need to do x y Z you just need to do X and focus on X right now and this is a commitment and it’s up to you if you decide or not, you’re the CEO, not me. I’m just the consultant right? How did you how did you I guess when you got into this, how did you discover CBD and want to bring that into your conversation with patients? I have a lot of very Savvy patients and you know, I heard for example, I heard like I was telling you before like I heard about Charlotte’s Web and like what the hell is that and you know patients would start to kind of tell me. Hey this CBD, you know, and you know, of course, you know through the years, you know coming where I practice I was in California. So I was there during the time when it was booming where it was by the time I left. Haha, I mean two years earlier. No THC shops after I left a small town of like 20,000 there was like five stores just in my little town and so, you know, California obviously was one of the first to really kind of open the door to the discussion of THC which then obviously led to the opening the door to CBD and you know pain, you know, colleagues my pain specialist through you know, what would they traditionally say is to me is you know, it’s amazing. I throw in all these opiates to my medications and Fentanyl patches and you know stimulators and all this and what seems to work better than anything is good old cannabinoids and and so, you know, you start to listen and hear and you know, I see every single patient as an opportunity for me to learn and that’s how that door opened five. Years ago now and I started to study it and started to realize hey, there’s something to this. I keep hearing the same story over and over again. I anxieties better. My sleep is better sleep is probably the one I really hear a lot about I hear a lot of people on my patients, you know, they’re their patients I deal with now are type AAA kind of guys and girls and so their minds constantly going and they got so much going upstairs. They can’t seem to settle It’ll themselves down and that CBD really helps them kind of get out of their own head and fall asleep and stay asleep to me. You know, that’s such an important aspect that that leads into, you know, kind of what we’re seeing across the world right now with whole covid thing. Definitely a lot of people being anxiety and asleep seems to be a constant discussion that I’ve been having on a daily basis right now.

Let’s talk more about the sleep. That’s my experience. That’s the first thing that people seem to experience when they when they start getting involved with cannabinoids or CBD everybody even if that’s not what they’re pursuing, you know, it seems in my experience. The first thing people say is, you know, I’ve noticed I’m sleeping better. So tell me tell me about your experiences with that what you’re what you’ve seen.

Well, you know again as a traditional physician, I’ve I’ve kind of gone through the gamut over 20 years. I’ve learned this process from all walks and demonstrations. So obviously is The traditional doc, you know, you learn to utilize medication is first. Okay, the ambiens the Valiums the Benadryl has the you know, the the Melatonin zhun some level. Okay, but in traditional world that was even a little bit alternative which is kind of silly now when I think back and you know, and then the Lunesta is and you know, there’s a whole variety of Pharmacy. You too, cold medications and you know, it’s interesting because let’s taking Ambien, for example, that was you know, a very powerful medication that works well, but of course, then you hear the gamut as a physician, I would hear all sorts of stories like, oh my gosh, my my my my my mom woke up in the middle of night was just sleepwalking through, you know on the streets and totally confused here now for those stories and it won’t lie. Okay, everybody, but you hear enough of those stories in ink frankly as a physician you you know one important rule is when people ask you is there a side effect to medication? I say absolutely and it in anything can happen. There’s a reason why there’s this Bible called the PDR that has every single side effect that can happen on a medication and it becomes any were expected as Physicians. Who are Not pharmacists to to understand and appreciate this. Well, when you practice medicine for long enough, you see that you know, most people do well but if you’re 10, 15 percent of your population is having pretty serious problems. That’s a problem. That’s not a good number in in stats. And so you start to look for other Alternatives CBD, I Any level of offering CBD to people who are having sleep issues as a tool to help them in their sleep challenges. Is it for everyone absolutely not but it definitely helps for a fairly large segment of my population who suffer from anxiety or just emotionally driven stress emotional thoughts that they can’t shut down and it doesn’t leave them groggy in the mornings. That’s another thing. That’s You know I hear oh, yeah, I slept great with this particular sleep aid, but now I’m like, I’m exhausted the next morning because I just feel groggy from it. I get that way personally I get that way from Tylenol PM, you know the which is basically Benadryl I feel shot for 3-4 hours after I wake up I can be and fortunately I don’t really have a sleep issue every once in a while, you know, you just take one just because you feel like you kind I need it. But yeah, you know it’s so it’s you know, when you’re talking about the body and this is where I think functional medicine. I love how we how I was kind of more in tune to think is that nothing that’s made by the body is all bad or all good. Well, what is one of the system’s that’s built into US is the camp cannabinoid system. Well, I find it so fascinating that there’s all these plants throughout. Earth that connect with our body. I mean if you really think about it, it’s kind of like, oh there is a very systematic design here and you know as you I’m speaking to the guy but who understands that you know, the cannabis plant and the Cannabis sativa L, which is the hemp plant very similar names little bit different in different distributions that cannabinoids but all these cannabinoids which we don’t even know all the names of all of them and we don’t know the impacts of all them but we do know that we have a cannabinoid system that desires balance. Okay, and our body is to simply looking for a balance which we always call in science homeostasis, but I like to kind of see it as we had this massive military defense operating system. It’s called our immune system and it’s protecting us and preparing us at every Second at every moment. Otherwise without it we’d all die from paper cuts. Right and and the Canada Boyd system is just one little layer okay of a much larger supercomputer that’s helping keep this system in check and sleep. You know, I always try to remind my patients. There is a reason there’s a lot of literature on sleep the more that’s written about something the less they know about it. It’s a there’s a lot of thoughts and hypotheses, but it’s usually the more literature the less they know and as a practicing clinician sleep is challenging because it could be infected by affected by so many different Pathways blood sugar’s alcohol stress pain anxiety gosh, and then there’s that gamma Patients where you can’t really put your finger on it the beauty of CBD I have found I don’t think it’s the end all to all things. Okay, but I do find that from a sleep perspective since we’re talking about that. It’s a great starting point for a lot of my patients and and so many of my patients will say wow. I’m so glad you kind of suggested this I was really mixed, you know, and you’re hearing this a lot less these days but you know five ten years ago is interesting. It was to me was the discussion of CBD was like the discussion of covid right now. Okay, there’s these two devices camps. Okay, and you know do I wear masks you AR the now not anti maskers the maskers, you know, all these it’s just this weird divisional thing going on. Well, I felt like that that’s the way it was with CBD for a while. I feel like it’s definitely not in that realm anymore in that camp. I feel like most of my patients are very open to discussing it now and they’re like, huh? Even my father who’s a physician very old school. I haven’t run CBD and he was like, I mean anti-marijuana that he was he was in that camp for a long time and now he’s grows older quite a bit older. He’s 82 now and has aches and pains. Oh that’s Except that it’s joy to get it get older with he finds CBD extremely helpful. He’s like, oh my gosh, this stuff is great. I’m shocked. I and in his own words as a stoic man from grew up in the 50s and 60s. He was like gosh. I wish I didn’t wasn’t so divisive in my thinking and you know of great of this topic.

Yeah. It’s interesting you bring up something that I’ve talked to a lot of people about over over the years as well, which is you know, Believe in God or you don’t and you believe in evolution either we were designed to consume these plants as you suggest or at minimum. We’ve been consuming them and I’ve been around them and very close consumption for Millions. If not billions of years. So either one of those two realities would lead one to believe that these are very beneficial compounds for us, right and only in the last hundred years. roughly have we gotten away from from that and demonize them for other political reasons clearly and probably also for four reasons that would enable, you know, medicinal pharmaceutical companies to you know, to develop things that they can intellectually property, you know, they can they can have intellectual property that they get to then own, you know, but we won’t take care us into all of that, but I did find what you’re saying about the you know, The time of in the living together in close proximity between people and plants for so long. That’s something that I think also helps people really be optimistic and hopeful that this could do something for them positively.

Yeah. I think we you know as you get more into you know, you bring up some layers there and you know as they trained traditional Allopathic position you’re trained to think very one-sided and you start to realize over time and it’s really working with patients you start to realize the limitation of that. It has its place. I’m not here to bash all out Pathak docs because by any means no, I think there’s some great components to it. But if we if we open our minds and start to realize that At we’re not medicine deficient. We are balanced defficient. We are lifestyle Choice deficient people love to say. Oh it runs in my jeans like to remind, you know bad habits run in your jeans. That’s good for you. I agree no room for excuses. Yeah, and so the CBD, you know that that whole conversation really opens up a lot of Windows and Doors. Has of you know, obviously there’s many layers we could go into the hull politics and the economics and all that stuff. But when it comes down to Patient Care individual care, I like to choose things that work that have minimal to no side effects. Nothing has zero side effects. I’ve learned that anyone can cause have anything but it’s not one of those things that keeps you up at night CBD is not one of those ones. I worry about I always you know in thing is with CBD, you know for me a small amount does a lot for my wife takes a fairly large amount. She has Irish genes in her you can knock through alcohol. Like there’s no tomorrow E2 without really feeling expensive. So everyone has a little bit detox and breakdown systems, but regardless of that variability, I don’t see people reporting to me serious complications or you know, really there’s not a lot of there are certain medications. Stations in supplements, of course, you got to be aware of it interaction, but they’re pretty few and far between and your physician if they do some kind of level of research they’ll to guide paid their patient. Right? I want another thing.

I want to ask you about in today’s world, especially, you know with with covid and you know this lunacy that we’re experiencing all the way around are you know, I’ve I’m even personally feeling stressed and anxious And I feel like I’ve got a pretty good hold on myself in that regard in a lot of ways. But are you seeing more patients coming in with or zooming or whatever you’re able to do with them these days to talk to you about Stress and Anxiety.

You bring up a really great question that you just got me thinking about a topic that I was just recently writing about. So in all my years of working with men’s health. For example, I work with men and women but Well, I would always joke with my man that it would take a Mack truck to destroy most mens libido and interestingly I think in the last 6 months literally 50% of my guys regardless of their age are reporting a low libido and I really think this pandemic is the mack truck and it to me. Speaking volumes of how much it’s impacting people who are like saying. Oh, well, you know you always hear the term. Well, I know it’s not the people are almost like for trying to forgive themselves for even trying to complain about it because they’re like, well, I have a job and I’m not stressed financially because of this and I feel really bad for the people and you hear this kike beginning caveat, but then there’s the layers like well, but my kid and my other kid is in remote school and we’re trying You know have everybody in the house and then you know, my wife and I were were around each other a lot more and she’s getting sick of me, you know, and of all these different little layers completely throwing off for example, and just this scenario men and some of these men that I work with their used to traveling a little bit so they have like their little getaway in terms of just being around breath of fresh air. Yeah, and they don’t have it and you know, they’re trying to be It can say, oh, I’m fine. But then they’re describing. I have no libido to me that speaks volumes and they’re they’re just saying to me Maybe not The Superficial anxiety that a lot of people describe or depression and things like that, but mental health. Okay comes out in all sorts of ways. Frankly I think comes out and A lot of things that people don’t you know, they don’t want to say oh, I’m anxious or depressed right? They would they would much easier say, you know, I’m having a hard time sleeping or my libido. It’s got to be it’s got to be my testosterone okay, or you know, they want to blame it on something else. But really when it comes down to it, it’s up here and you know that end the cannabinoid system is you know, there’s the CD ones that are in the brain and then there’s the CB twos there more periphery and you know, that’s the beauty of CBD the kinetic of CBD versus THC is it kind of impacts both those Pathways really? Well and in a from least from the science that we understand and it’s helping to regulate the that overall balance in the brain of neurotransmitters as well. It’s such a complex computer that trying to just say this causes this it never works and but yet patients like to think binary and Physicians like to do it because it’s nice to go. This medication will help this and I always like to remind people that were a big chicken web it the bodies the big chicken web and everything is kind of interconnected and CBD just provides a little bit of extra balance.

Hmm. No, I this is great. I’m so glad to hear you and I’m encouraged

by what you’re talking to your patients about because you know, I don’t generally

had don’t

Generally get the feeling that there’s a lot of openness to the concepts, you know by physicians

that you’re talking through, you know, and approaching these things holistically, you know, you’re talking about adding something that’s natural and it’s actually, you know supplement that your body’s already making do you ever get into conversations about nutrition or meditation? I mean if those types of things because it seems like that would be the next logical evolution of what you’re trying to counsel your patient. Oh, yeah. I mean we’re just talking.

At CBD, right, but every patient who works with me is sick and tired of me bringing up kitchen and meditations matter of fact a book that I wrote recently. It’s called functional medicine the new standard I had talked about the five stamp triggers. So sta MP and the two bookends stress as the S and K and P the poor diet. Okay has to do with cortisol and insulin and I always Tell people that if until you heal, these two Pathways you heal nothing and so I put an enormous amount of energy into the kitchen. I always call it the kitchen. I don’t like diets. I don’t like the names that I don’t give a shit. If someone’s paleo or vegan carnivore. I don’t get caught up on that and and you know, as far as stress stress can come and manifest in multiple ways. It would be better CBD is a good conversation during this pandemic because anxiety is a form of stress and sweet lack of sleep is a form of stress and and then you have those then exacerbates the pain pathway. So my chronic pain patients now have more stress and and then they’re like, okay, what’s the chicken or the egg? And I’m like, it doesn’t really matter. Okay, frankly. We just need to clinically give you some tools to help you break these Cycles. That’s you know when you’re talking about open-mindedness. I was that doc. Okay, who was closed minded in the first half of my career because it was not taught me right, you know you get into this world and I think you know kind of the Swing when I first got into medicine was evidence-based Memphis and everything had to have a study. I mean when I was in residency him and and the years after it was like we’d get together as Physicians and talk about something. Had to have a study to support it and you know after a while you start to go. Well, we can’t study everything. Okay, and these are population studies. What about the individual because they don’t mesh in true clinical medicine book and real life don’t always perfectly match if we want to perfectly mesh them, but they don’t and so you kind of got to go. Wait a minute here. I’m not working with a robots working with a human being who’s got a life who’s got all All sorts of shit going on around them. Okay, and I have to be open to their world and you ask me okay about getting people involved. I try to find out how involved are you going to be with me and me with you? Okay. I got to know your level of commitment here because if you’re just going to make excuse Excuse excuse and think I’m going to give you some magic bullet. I always tell I’m on them. I’m not a magician. Okay, my magical powers is being able to see To your weak links and helping guide you to figure out those are the places I have to focus on its I don’t have to, you know, be caught up in this whole mesh of everything and you know, not everybody has to do a line, you know mol detox and not everybody has to do, you know, whatever over here. It’s we got to we got to get focused and the focus almost always starts in the kitchen. Every patient who works with me I tell them a little motto. I say health starts and ends in the kitchen every single time. If you get stuck go back to the kitchen now, that’s great advice. What are you do that? I love it. What is a you mentioned the stamp? I don’t want you to go into the your entire book, right? Yeah. Well leave it. I love that idea.

Tell us a little bit more about the the what the other letters.

So yes stressors T4, toxins like Call Tobacco drugs or environmental toxins a for allergens. So it could be like an Austin area. We have a lot of Cedar but that’s not the one I’m talking about talking about like food sensitivities. For example, m stands for microbes. Now in today’s world where all is were thinking is covid, but we’re but really in reality. It’s more like parasites and viruses in Lyme disease and things like that there go a little bit more coats and affect Health from a very. You know less obvious Manner and then poor diet, right? And these are the five triggers or are major war powers that can really start to impact our immune systems defense system and then lead to inflammation or lead to Auto antibody mistakes and and then lead to disease eventually.

Well what I really like about what your philosophy is representing is You’re empowering people to to basically not have to come see you. Right which is an interesting thing. And that’s I think very admirable and I think that should be the objective of all of all Physicians and people that are involved in medications and trying to help rehabilitate people from whatever they may be working towards so I commend you for that and I’m excited that you’re doing that because it gives me a new faith and and the situation where you know, Like you mentioned you weren’t taught about the endocannabinoid system, right? And there’s unfortunately Physicians they’re still not taught about that and in medical school which to me is just a travesty but course, they’re not really taught about nutrition and importance of that either So, you know, it’s really quite bizarre to me. But thank you for doing what you’re doing. And is there anything else you’d like to share with us? Because this has been fascinating to me and I love to I’m going to definitely check out your book and and learn more about what you’re up to.

There. Was anything else you want to share with us before we wrap.

Yeah, I do think there is a real push by positions on a general rule alot of traditional Doc’s who are really seeing the light and are getting enlightened by their patients and the world of functional medicine. You can just go to Institute of functional medicine Dot o– r– g– and that’s who I started my process with and if people are looking for a physician in their area start there. And that’s that’s you know, and I do think it’s the shift is happening. So be encouraged and you know docks are not the the enemy I think sometimes it gets like into like, oh they are trying to be you know, this divisional person. They’re not they’re just going with what they’ve been taught and know and are trying to do the best that they know how and you know, and they’re the good ones are Our students for life, and the bad ones are not and that’s with every field life right? So just look for the one that’s always asking the questions and well Kevin.

Thank you so much for being with us Ashley on CBD.  CBD for anxiety and stress. I really appreciate you joining us, and I look forward to meeting you somewhere down the road. I’m sure travels will cross. So thank you so much for what you’re doing and you have a great day you to thank you very much. Take care.

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